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good morning and welcome to the yuma

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theater

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my name is greg jones and i'll be your

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host for these two days

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we have six presentations here today uh

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two sessions in the morning before

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reconvening after lunch at 1 30 pm for

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another four presentations in the

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afternoon

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our first speaker today will be yvonne

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perkins speaking on when stem becomes

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steam will benefit

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evon enjoys demystifying technology for

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others

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now a professional writer evon uses

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technical skills to explain technology

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simply and clearly

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there'll be time for questions at the

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end of this presentation

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please enter any questions in the

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question session

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section in venulis

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over to

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yvonne

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thank you very much greg

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and welcome everybody good morning um

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i'd like to start by acknowledging the

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waranjari waywarang people of the kulin

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nation on whose land that i am standing

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in melbourne and i want to pay my

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respects to the elders both past and

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present and i also offer my respect to

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any aboriginal and torres strait

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islanders who may be participating in

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this program

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today i'll be speaking quite directly on

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the conference theme

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community i'll be drawing on my work

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experience moving from one professional

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community to another

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i will talk about the benefits to

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communities from welcoming newcomers

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from encouraging the mixing of people

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at between communities that requisite

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variety that kathy reid um spoke of

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yesterday in her keynote

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i will talk about the rich space that's

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in between professional communities that

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we need to encourage people to explore

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and along the way i will share my

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professional journey because i'm one of

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those people who has gone from

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rotated around various different

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professional communities

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ask with the question about why do we

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limit ourselves and we all do it every

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one of us

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we are brought up in a society that

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obviously has structure

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but unwittingly has introduced

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needless restrictions um on ourselves

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we live in a world of hyper

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specialization and categorizations which

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start at a really young age

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and that is through the operation of

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stereotypes of who we should be who we

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can be

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the use of those stereotypes stifles the

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potential in us and the communities of

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which we are passed apart

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i've talked i'm talking about

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professional silos a lot in this talk

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specialization is absolutely needed we

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start working a particular creek we do

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need to get particular skills to be of

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service of helping others in our

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society

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and also to earn a living

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many of us stay in that career and

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that's fine and i think of the people

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that built these silos they built really

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good sturdy silos in the 1920s these

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silos have

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served the community very very well in

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the area we absolutely need

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specialization

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but also we do need a some people to be

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traversing their boundaries between

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these silos

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throughout this talk i'll be talking a

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little bit about my personal

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professional um

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and just to give a bit of background my

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father is an engineer nothing

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particularly unusual about that but

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while i was growing up my mother did a

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science degree at university and she did

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programming coding in that in that

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degree fortran algol were words that i

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growing up

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and then she started work as a

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programmer at the elizabeth computer

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center in hobart and became a cobile

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programmer and cobol is still out there

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lurking somewhere

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endangered species we might need to

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explore the habitats of the environments

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but it's still there

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specialization is great and has helped

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us greatly and will continue to do that

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but we can do better

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we can dream of something much more

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this is a picture of some silos on the

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silo art trail in

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north west victoria this particular

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silent set of silos is in shape hills in

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region of northwest victoria

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and look honestly this is not a region

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that i would

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travel to at all but i was attracted to

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visit this area on a 40 degree day

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because of the art

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art lifts us it inspires us it moves us

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it's that inspiration that keeps us

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going that keeps humanity achieving a

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so what is the art that i talk of

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obviously i'm talking about creativity

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and imagination that connects with the

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emotions

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this can be through the senses such as

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the visual and the oral

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art communicates deep truths in an

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imaginative in an evocative way it gets

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us thinking in a different way

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art connects with our emotions to

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engender a response in us it moves us to

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actually do something just like i did by

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actually driving to sheep hills which

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didn't see the hills didn't see the

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sheep flat

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but the art had moved me to travel there

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i've got a broad conception of arts that

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i'm going to be using in this um talk so

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obviously there's the immediate creative

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arts um that we're all familiar with you

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know the painting the music and all of

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that kind of stuff then there's another

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conception of the arts and that is the

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arts that you might find in a university

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so it would include you know english

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literature the pure arts um but it would

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also include things like anthropology

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history things like that

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but there is also a third conception of

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um explored

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it's the art of

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albert einstein actually

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he said imagination is more important

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than knowledge for knowledge is limited

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whereas imagination embraces the entire

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world stimulating progress giving birth

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it is strictly speaking a real factor in

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there is an abundance of the art of in

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technology and brian curnahan in his

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keynote presentation yesterday referred

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to the importance of creative people for

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we have got this

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kernel of creativity that is in all of

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what i'm interested in what has

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interested me all my professional life

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is exploring the space between solos

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silos between the professional silos and

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that space between technology

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and arts

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this is a really interesting movement

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that is happening right now in his talk

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simon loffler from acme referred to the

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creativity and experimentation by people

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the way that this ai was used

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and some very interesting machine

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generated art was

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created now for a really good um look um

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at experts in this field have a look at

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what i did is i actually got into this

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big gan model and i actually inserted

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and just let the ai generate some art

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now i'm not talking about

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is this particularly highfaluting art is

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but it's an interesting it's exploring

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and sometimes like when we explore the

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creative things it might end up in a

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dead end but it might

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but it might not it might open up a

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whole world the importance is exploring

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and opening the world of possibilities

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and i rather like the way that this is

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configured a must talk with a person

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isolated in their silo and another

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couple of bunch of people in separate

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example is text analysis in the field of

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english literature and history is

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actually becoming incredibly important

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and using sophisticated models for that

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and here is like and this opens up new

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worlds into our understanding of

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literature and this is something that i

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have personally explored with the

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meaning of the word secular in this

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particular instance

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this particular lab is look at women

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writers from the pre-victorian era so

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throne so before

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and and it's there's a corpus of the

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texts and here i've explored the word

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and looked at respect we don't often

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actually think of maybe deference

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or reverence with respect it it causes

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about how meanings of words

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are different for different people

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the next example i want to show you is i

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we've seen a lot of a great advance in

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storytelling online and exploring the

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possibilities and i really like this

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example from mitchell white law and sky

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watson's from australia

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and i've got the urls here if you want

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to look them

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up later this is an audio visual story

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from the knapnap swamp in new south

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here uh is a soundscape visually

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represented that you can click on and

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you can hear the sounds of the swamp at

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different times of the day and at

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different times of the year depending on

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the water levels there's also an

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explanation of the sounds that you're

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hearing so this is exploring audio

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in a visual means online and looking at

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how this landscape changes over um

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over the time over the time of a year

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people don't often think that historians

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people who can code but increasingly

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with our digitized world

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we've got a lot of historical

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evidence like on trove that is coded

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that can be explored by code that should

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be explored by code we also have a lot

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of historical documents that are

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actually born in code that are born

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electronically that don't have a

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physical representation increasingly

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it's going to be very important for

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historians to be equipped with coding

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skills and also telling the stories on

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websites so now historians are doing a

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lot of telling stories on websites

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um

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i have to put take my hat off to tim

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sherritt he opened this world for so

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many of us in

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australia through glam workbench through

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his blog posts through his twitter

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through his

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conferences

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programming historian that's where i

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learnt python

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and i learned to scrape websites

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legally of course

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and it's a wealth

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of possibilities

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by now you probably say yeah i know that

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yes i can think of other examples i can

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think of lots of examples and the

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question is is art already in tech i've

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got this example of a graphic novel by

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that wonderful service postman

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but we can also think of user interface

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design marketing storytelling through

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online games

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and at linuxconf are you i love this

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visual um storytelling of the keynote um

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speaks at speak speeches

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so

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arts

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as i was developing this talk you know i

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realized that arts really are already an

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integral part of

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the technology world

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but are we limiting ourselves

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by not properly recognizing that arts

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already are a part of the technology

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world

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should be a part and are an integral

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part

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what i'm talking about

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is also our adherence to this idea of

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stem science technology engineering and

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maths no mention of the arts and i have

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just mentioned

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several areas that are integral to

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the technology world and i could add

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documentation as well and documentation

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obviously through that graphic novel can

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be incredibly creative and we can draw

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on the skills of people who are very

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skilled in in arts

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i'm talking about diversity of thought

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why do we want diversity

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we're not seeking diversity in

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technology or in the building industry

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or in nursing or so many other fields

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we're not seeking diversity because we

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just want to see a dress or hear a

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different accent fewer or more wrinkles

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or was still just so we can have a

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diverse face that we can shove in our

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marketing photos to show that how

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diverse we are

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i want to pick up on kathy reid's talk

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yesterday about resilience diversity

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really does give us resilience it gives

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us much better services much better

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products it makes us much more nimble

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and i've got this picture of a garden

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quite deliberately here

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because of the diversity in this garden

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you've got the diplodinas here you've

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got rhododendrons in the background

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maple here cyprus here um in the

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foreground here miniature cypress in the

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foreground you've got a community here

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some parsley

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this garden

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has flowers all times of the year so we

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don't have in this picture an abundance

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of flowers but we have it all times of

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the year this is a resilient garden

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it it actually supports a great

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ecosystem there's always some food there

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for birds and for bees if there's a

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plant disease that strikes out a

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particular plant it won't wipe out the

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whole garden and i think we can use this

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analogy

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in our working world as well

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and just um and in our industries we

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actually do need to have diversity

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and i get to the you know job

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advertisements

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there's a increasing hyper

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specialization that's creeping into our

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job interest advertisements and into our

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industries

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the problem of hyper specialization so

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i'm not complaining about specialization

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but the hyper specialization of

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requiring five years experience with a

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particular job title

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in exactly the same industry that is the

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kind of hyper specialization that

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completely knocks out any possibility of

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having this very

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productive

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working between people of

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different backgrounds of thought

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we need diversity of thought

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so moving on to desirable communities

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what do we need what makes a community

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desirable so i'm indicating here that we

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want to have

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some ability to enter and to perhaps

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exit that fluidity between communities

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i just want to share some of my personal

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experiences

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so

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i started off in accounting encouraged

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by my parents and that's where

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i learned cobol programming i did had

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already done basic programming at school

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i worked worked in the world of

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accounting then i moved into public

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information which is also about sharing

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information but rather than through

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numbers i shared it through words

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and then i entered this world of digital

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humanities and professional historians

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and this is where tim share its um

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wonderful contribution with his

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unconferences

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but um and his and his blogging has been

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so important for my professional

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development but there's also so many

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hundreds on twitter on blogs that i've

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learned from the program historian stack

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overflow fantastic resource

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the documentation particularly the

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documentation of the trove api that

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opened my eyes to the world of apis

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that's that was my grounding in apis

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i also move in the world of professional

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historians and there's some fantastic

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professional bodies and professional

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historians australia and the australian

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historical association put on great

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professional conferences have the

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opportunity for face-to-face um

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meet-ups and smaller conferences

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tutorials seminars there's a huge amount

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on twitter historians and aussies

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hashtags on twitter and of course the

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blogging

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and wordpress shout out to mitch mingy

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of the parramatta

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wordpress meetup group

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that was my first foray into website

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development and i just went to so many

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sydney wordpress meetups

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and shout out also obviously to will

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brown

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fantastic

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i went to three meetups a month while i

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was learning skills and that

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face-to-face was really important but

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obviously there's a blogs and articles

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by wordpress developers there's slack

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which has been a fantastic forum there's

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also importantly documentation just like

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the trove api documentation was

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important for my professional

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development

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and write the docs the conferences and

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slack and linux this conference

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so all of these professional communities

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have been very welcoming

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of me entering as a newbie and enabling

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me to explore and to grow professionally

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into these communities fantastic

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communities i'm very grateful to all of

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them

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so some basic elements in my story about

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about these particular professional

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communities what are the basic elements

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that are really important um

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for

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to be a great community i'd have to say

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documentation for a professional

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community

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the

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um and i'm not talking about just read

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um just written word documentation can

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also be

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videos can also be those podcasts and

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online tutorials and um and all of that

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kind of stuff

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documentation is important because this

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removes the barrier of not understanding

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a particular community not being able to

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work with a particular community not

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having the skills

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regular face-to-face opportunities

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is also important and this is like the

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networking thing and actually starting

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to become comfortable in a community

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and having people that you know having

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friends and friendship is actually

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important even in professional um

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community

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regular face-to-face

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local

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opportunities are great

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but also the national opportunities like

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this conference it's really important it

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is those um between the sessions in the

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back halls

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that you really cement the feeling of i

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belong

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and this i belong is really important if

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you want people to stay

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in your professional community and then

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of course there's the online access and

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that's absolutely essential today online

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access is incredibly important well

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accessibility not everybody can come to

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the uh to the face-to-face

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meet-ups they might not live close they

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might have disabilities that prevent

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them they might have family caring

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things that you know prevent them online

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access is absolutely vital so the three

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of them i think are vital but we need

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more

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organizations and and this is we're

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focusing on communities but i realized

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as i was talking

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i was developing this talk

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that there really is a very rich

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interplay between organizations

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communities and individuals so while

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i'm not going to be talking a great deal

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about the organizations but if you think

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about it in every community

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there is

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often

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a governing body

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any community of a particular size

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um so it might be the committee of a

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club if you if it's a sporting club and

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in our instance obviously there's linux

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australia

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and the organizations help facilitate

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online and face-to-face spaces good

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organizations offer great documentation

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and good organization enforce clear

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codes of conduct fairly

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because if there are no codes of conduct

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that

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unwittingly we can have barriers we

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might not even be aware of it or we

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might just be a bit lazy about it so

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those codes of conduct are incredibly

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important

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but also what's

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important are the individuals

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and they're really important for making

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communities great and as i said i've

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given a shout out to several individuals

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that have made a particular

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um a particularly strong contribution

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and there are many that i have not

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mentioned um to communities but it's

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actually

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the little people like you and i even as

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entering a community

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is turning around and giving a hand up

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to the next person that's just a little

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00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:41,679
bit behind who is also just entering the

580
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:44,480
community and this is where i got into

581
00:23:41,679 --> 00:23:46,720
technical documentation because i wanted

582
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:50,880
to share um

583
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:53,120
the with others how to use the trove api

584
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,360
and the people who are using drive a lot

585
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:59,600
of them don't know programming now most

586
00:23:55,360 --> 00:24:02,640
so i did a series of um blog posts about

587
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,679
how to use the trove api with excel

588
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,240
worksheet

589
00:24:03,679 --> 00:24:08,880
spreadsheets now this is not because

590
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:11,679
excel is the superior resource for

591
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:14,080
accessing an api of course it's not but

592
00:24:11,679 --> 00:24:16,799
this is because for so many people this

593
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,640
is the only tool that they know and this

594
00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:21,919
being able to um

595
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:24,880
use an api through excel is their first

596
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:26,480
entry into the world of apis now they

597
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,559
might just settle there and that's all

598
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,799
they want to do that's fine

599
00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:32,480
but also i did this

600
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:34,400
technical documentation

601
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,200
as my own personal learning because

602
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,039
there's nothing um it is often said that

603
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,440
if you're a learner sitting in the back

604
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:43,360
of a room you'll only learn 10

605
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,120
of what is said in that room

606
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:48,480
but if you're a teacher

607
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:50,320
you learn that the rest of the 90

608
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:53,200
because you have to teach it you're on

609
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:56,080
the spot um and so i put that into

610
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:59,279
practice i wanted to learn how to use

611
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:01,200
this api really well well then

612
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:03,600
i need to write about it share and be

613
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,840
vulnerable and share it with others and

614
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,640
tim sherritt and others you know helped

615
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:12,200
me develop this series

616
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,200
of tutorials

617
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,840
i also having a look at the conference

618
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:24,559
theme and there was um talk about the

619
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:26,640
global aspect and how we um

620
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:29,600
how important it is during this pandemic

621
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:32,000
to keep those global connections

622
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,080
but i was thinking what is really

623
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,400
missing i think in a lot of what we're

624
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,760
talking about we're just starting to

625
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,159
explore this

626
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,799
through the pandemic

627
00:25:40,159 --> 00:25:44,080
is micro communities and the importance

628
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:47,120
of it

629
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:49,600
when we were put in lockdown we suddenly

630
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:51,600
realized how important our neighbours

631
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,919
were

632
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,760
how important living with at people

633
00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:57,840
inner households are

634
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,320
and sometimes that is very very

635
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:03,760
difficult if especially if it was not

636
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:06,799
working terribly well to begin with

637
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:09,440
but the pandemic has really forced us to

638
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:11,200
look at the micro the local and the

639
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,200
micro scale

640
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,279
and i think that we need to do more

641
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,279
exploration of this because i was

642
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:19,840
thinking about the stresses that people

643
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:20,720
are under that was so evidenced um

644
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,840
through

645
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:27,039
um the global forums that were on the

646
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:30,559
various social media channels

647
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:32,799
i have a feeling that a lot of them stem

648
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:35,919
back from aside from the grieving

649
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:38,640
process of how limited we were are and

650
00:26:35,919 --> 00:26:41,039
what a terrible situation this was

651
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:44,480
the third element i was thinking was

652
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:46,640
this issue of micro communities we spend

653
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,559
most of our waking hours

654
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:53,400
in micro communities these might be

655
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:53,400
households work teams neighbors

656
00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:59,039
and it made me think i've just mentioned

657
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:01,440
codes of conduct that organizations have

658
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:03,919
for communities

659
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:07,400
well what's the code of conduct for our

660
00:27:03,919 --> 00:27:07,400
micro communities

661
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:14,640
even in our micro communities

662
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:17,440
we need to be giving back

663
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,919
we need to be considering what others

664
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,679
like and it's harder in our macro

665
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:23,679
communities that's a place where we

666
00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:26,080
spend most of our time

667
00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:27,919
that's a place where we particularly

668
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,399
might be tired

669
00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:32,640
we and and we just kind of let it all

670
00:27:30,399 --> 00:27:35,440
hang out

671
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,679
and it made me think of personal codes

672
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,840
of conduct

673
00:27:37,679 --> 00:27:41,039
and this is a question for each one of

674
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,080
us

675
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:43,919
but

676
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,440
i was thinking i think it's actually

677
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:48,640
important that we have a personal code

678
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,880
of conduct we focus on ourselves

679
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,600
and what we should be what we can be

680
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,600
doing better

681
00:27:55,120 --> 00:28:00,240
and getting back to the codes of contact

682
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,799
i have also seen in workplaces lots of

683
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,960
workplaces have value statements codes

684
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:07,520
of conduct

685
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,360
but there's a dissonance between

686
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,880
the code of conduct and the value

687
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,799
statement

688
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,200
and what actually happens in that

689
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:17,520
workplace

690
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,360
and there's a lot of parroting off and

691
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,240
talking about it

692
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:24,159
but making sure each single person in

693
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,399
that workplace

694
00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:28,960
looking at themselves and abiding by

695
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:30,640
that code of conduct and likewise on the

696
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,440
personal scale

697
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,559
we have a responsibility to other people

698
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,559
around us

699
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:40,320
to give

700
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:42,320
and to help make things better

701
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,080
it made me think of

702
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,720
we quite often do a lot of finger

703
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,440
pointing at others and nitpicking and

704
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,799
that's just exhausting

705
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:55,480
but what about

706
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:55,480
doing the work on ourselves

707
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,960
and maybe that if we actually focus on

708
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,760
ourselves less nitpicking and fault

709
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,559
finding on the micro you know the little

710
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:15,440
niggle kind of thing and more focusing

711
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:17,919
on well how am i making this situation

712
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,320
better maybe that

713
00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:22,880
will make a great difference to how our

714
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,840
communities work and particularly the

715
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:28,399
micro communities where our lives are

716
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,399
grounded

717
00:29:35,919 --> 00:29:40,200
okay so in conclusion

718
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:46,320
i have argued

719
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,000
that actually i think we need steam not

720
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:51,039
stem

721
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,600
we actually need to recognize the role

722
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:57,600
of arts in technology

723
00:29:53,600 --> 00:30:00,159
and actually be really upfront about it

724
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,679
and it's not just an add-on it's an

725
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:05,200
integral part

726
00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:08,240
of technology it's already part

727
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:11,840
and that leads us to thinking of well

728
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:14,720
how are we paying the people that

729
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:17,039
are providing these value and this value

730
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:20,159
added that is so important for our

731
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:24,000
technology we've already got it in there

732
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:26,159
also training of people if we only train

733
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,840
people in science technology engineering

734
00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:30,240
and maths

735
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,279
and we devalue the training in all of

736
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,960
the other

737
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:37,440
aspects of life including the arts

738
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:40,080
we're limiting the possibilities of our

739
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,600
technology

740
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,159
i have also

741
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,799
demonstrated that people from arts

742
00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:49,760
backgrounds are already scaling up and

743
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:51,440
playing with technology there's a lot of

744
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,320
stuff out there and i'm sure that you

745
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,480
have already explored a lot of that once

746
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:59,039
again i think that there is a

747
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:02,000
recognition that there is a lot of arts

748
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:04,159
there's a lot of creativity and there's

749
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,440
a lot of playing around and technology

750
00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:10,559
is absolutely engaging with this

751
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:13,840
but i think this acknowledgement

752
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:15,600
of the central part that arts and other

753
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,000
disciplines have

754
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,760
in this technology space is really

755
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,159
important

756
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,880
so we limit our possibilities by not

757
00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:26,080
properly recognizing the importance of

758
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,120
the arts

759
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,120
in technology

760
00:31:29,860 --> 00:31:33,760
[Laughter]

761
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,200
when we have more diversity of thought

762
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,760
in our teams

763
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:41,279
we all benefit

764
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:43,679
now that's not to say it's easy

765
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:46,159
and certainly initially

766
00:31:43,679 --> 00:31:48,960
i mean how many how many of us go oh

767
00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:50,640
wonderful i've got somebody that comes

768
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,039
from a completely different industry

769
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:56,080
who's going to join my team

770
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:58,320
may not have the technical skills

771
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,039
there's work that's involved at the

772
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,320
beginning but that work will reap

773
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:04,320
benefits

774
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,519
and prac and that's where thinking about

775
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,000
training

776
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:11,200
how much effort do we put in training

777
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:14,240
and each person being a trainer taking

778
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,399
that responsibility to guide others who

779
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,320
do not know so much

780
00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:20,080
rather than just being oh gosh i've got

781
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,640
to deal with this person again with the

782
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,240
same question taking those few minutes

783
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:28,080
to explain

784
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:30,000
you know the process explain the lingo

785
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,399
each individual in a community

786
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,600
contributes personal qualities

787
00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:38,960
that makes their community welcoming

788
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:41,440
and helps people to thrive

789
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:45,120
and i think this is what we need in our

790
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:47,679
project teams in our workplaces as well

791
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,519
as i can see there's a lot of work that

792
00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:51,360
linux australia and the participants in

793
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,399
this conference have done

794
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,360
to make

795
00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:58,320
the linux world a welcoming space

796
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,039
let's put that same work into our other

797
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,039
communities

798
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:06,120
and i have talked about communities

799
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,320
comprising sub-communities

800
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,960
sub-sub-communities the local and

801
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,640
microscope needs more attention from all

802
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:17,200
of us

803
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,200
we need to break out of our silos

804
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,519
and i'll leave you with this thought i

805
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,440
just had to put that in there steam not

806
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:26,399
stem

807
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:28,880
and thank you very much for your for

808
00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:28,880
listening

809
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:34,399
i'll open up for questions now

810
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,880
okay thank you evan

811
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,679
it seems that the

812
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:44,640
the comments uh in total agreement with

813
00:33:41,679 --> 00:33:45,919
your presentation and we do indeed have

814
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,279
one question

815
00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:48,880
i'll just have to read that off a

816
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:49,919
different screen

817
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,880
so

818
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:55,440
here someone says uh hi i'm curious to

819
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,440
know yvonne's thoughts on how to

820
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:01,039
encourage informal face-to-face

821
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:03,360
discussion during pandemic uh induced

822
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,880
online only events

823
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,600
i know that this is a million dollar

824
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,520
question sorry

825
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,200
oh gosh it is a million dollar question

826
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,000
because um certainly during this

827
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:16,240
conference and look i'm so grateful for

828
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,560
this opportunity to linux australia this

829
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:20,800
is my first experience of a linux

830
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,480
conference and i have

831
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,560
found it very difficult to actually

832
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,200
follow those conversations while i'm

833
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,359
concentrating on the presenters and

834
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,720
learning about how this community works

835
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:32,079
because i think when you're entering a

836
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:34,879
community

837
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:36,879
um there is a lot of listening that the

838
00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:38,879
entrance need to do

839
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:41,599
and i talked about personal qualities

840
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:45,200
and i think humility has to be one of

841
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:47,440
them and listening comes with humility

842
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:50,399
um so i found that so how to encourage

843
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:53,599
those informal conversations

844
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:55,760
look honestly twitter um i have found

845
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:58,320
has been great for those kind of on

846
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:02,000
informal conversations at the moment

847
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:04,160
unfortunately people are

848
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,240
a bit over the online

849
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:09,760
um and this is where

850
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:12,640
getting um i'm hoping out of this to

851
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,000
actually get some new

852
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,440
connections

853
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,480
and maybe

854
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,440
explore them offline as well

855
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,240
um

856
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:24,400
i think in terms of digital humanities

857
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:27,119
and my experience there because that was

858
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,440
the first online community i entered the

859
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:31,520
hashtag was really important and i think

860
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,440
the welcoming nature and the

861
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,000
conversational so actually answering

862
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,880
questions on twitter and responding to

863
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,520
people

864
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,040
is really important but that's not

865
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,079
private that's very

866
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,680
public

867
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,960
unless you're doing it through dms of

868
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,920
course

869
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,680
um

870
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:52,400
so no i haven't got the answer but i

871
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,160
think the motive behind the question is

872
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,280
the right motive and i think with the

873
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:59,680
right motive and with creativity we will

874
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,680
actually um

875
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,839
be able to explore this and learn the

876
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,440
about this and understand this more i

877
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:06,560
think we're all learning about this at

878
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,440
the moment

879
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:13,079
so i hope that answers it um

880
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,079
somewhat adequately

881
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,599
yes okay so

882
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,240
there is another

883
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:26,640
question just popped up now so

884
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:30,400
let's have a look at that

885
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:32,400
uh hi uh sorry how do you uh we derive

886
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,119
uh the context of our symbolic

887
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,520
interactions which have now been

888
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:39,520
objectified from the data and the

889
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,839
metadata it comes with

890
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:45,920
to establish the true meaning of our

891
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:48,960
interactions and not a misinterpretation

892
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:51,520
is there a digital gap in society

893
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,680
how has this changed how we relate to

894
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,880
one another

895
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,960
yeah

896
00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,320
look i actually saw a question similar

897
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:02,880
to that on um keynote speak yesterday um

898
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,800
and i did actually note that i think

899
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,839
that's a very interesting

900
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,640
question um to

901
00:37:06,839 --> 00:37:10,240
explore

902
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,040
misinterpretations

903
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:16,640
and i think i'll just go back um am i

904
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,640
still screen sharing

905
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,839
um yes you are yeah yeah i'm still

906
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:23,680
squished and so this is actually that

907
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:24,800
question and thank you very much for the

908
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,880
questioner

909
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,480
um if it and particularly if it's the

910
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,720
same person i mean really got me

911
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,880
thinking last night about the micro

912
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:34,400
communities this issue of

913
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,119
misinterpretation

914
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,079
it's

915
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:40,079
and also thinking about the face-to-face

916
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:42,079
and my gut feeling so i'm not a

917
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:45,680
psychologist so i'm just saying i've got

918
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:48,880
a gut feeling i think as human beings we

919
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,880
do need face-to-face regular daily

920
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,000
face-to-face contact

921
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:57,119
and we also need

922
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,599
friendships you know deep friendships

923
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:02,320
and through that through those

924
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:05,119
deep friendships then

925
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,839
we can iron out misunderstandings and we

926
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:10,000
can have reflected back how a little bit

927
00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:12,880
about how the world sees us

928
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,119
so sometimes the misrepresentations come

929
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:18,400
because we have not communicated very

930
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:20,880
well and we don't realize that um

931
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:24,560
sometimes the misrepresentations come

932
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,520
from a really nitpicking attitude

933
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,119
and

934
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,160
i think that

935
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:32,480
we've just got to stop the nitpicking so

936
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:35,040
i'm not talking about i mean pulling

937
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:38,000
people up for really egregious behavior

938
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:41,200
absolutely that's an issue of fairness

939
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,760
and we do need to um

940
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,000
you know make sure that everybody is in

941
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:49,040
a safe space and everybody's treated

942
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,960
fairly but there can become a real

943
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:54,720
nitpicking

944
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:57,160
that is unnecessary that creates anxiety

945
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:58,640
and the kind of anxiety about being

946
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,160
misrepresentation and then you're

947
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,480
watching what you're saying and you're

948
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:05,520
going oh my gosh have i said that right

949
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,680
we've all got limited experiences

950
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,320
and we're all on a learning journey and

951
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,320
i really think that we need to

952
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,200
work on ourselves

953
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:18,000
and stop like nitpicking on others but

954
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,079
also be um

955
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,720
have a sense of humility when somebody

956
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:25,359
does pull you up um now i don't know

957
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:27,599
have i got the time i've got a story

958
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:29,920
actually to share about that have we got

959
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:32,480
the time we are pretty much out of time

960
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,480
now it's 11 31 so

961
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,119
we need time 10 minutes for a room

962
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,560
changeover and we can meet everyone here

963
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,000
again

964
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,400
uh at

965
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,880
11 40 i think it is

966
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,760
yeah uh look i really appreciate those

967
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,760
questions they have very

968
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,160
thought-provoking questions and

969
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,920
certainly this is not the end of the um

970
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,400
discussion about this i think this is

971
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,480
just an earlier exploration of it so

972
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,800
i'll be very you know be online and very

973
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:02,640
interested in ideas that um other people

974
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,640
have to share about this topic

975
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:08,800
okay thank you yvonne that was a

976
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,800
wonderful talk on a a very important

977
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:09,880
thank topic