1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,469 foreign 2 00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:08,469 [Music] 3 00:00:11,340 --> 00:00:17,640 lovely welcome to Swiss Army Glam with 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:20,820 Tara Barnett Tara is a librarian and 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:22,680 folio Services Analyst at index data 6 00:00:20,820 --> 00:00:24,900 working with folio customers and the 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:27,840 folio Community today Tara is going to 8 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:31,140 explain why the future of libraries is 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:34,380 open please welcome Tara 10 00:00:31,140 --> 00:00:36,600 [Applause] 11 00:00:34,380 --> 00:00:37,980 all right oh I can hear myself so it's 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,440 great 13 00:00:37,980 --> 00:00:43,079 um all right so 14 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:45,540 I begin today by acknowledging the 15 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:47,160 warungary warung people of the kulin 16 00:00:45,540 --> 00:00:49,320 nation traditional custodians of the 17 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:50,700 land on which We Gather today and pay my 18 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,200 respects to their Elders past and 19 00:00:50,700 --> 00:00:53,879 present I extend that respect to 20 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,899 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander 21 00:00:53,879 --> 00:00:56,899 peoples here today 22 00:00:57,239 --> 00:01:04,019 so hi I'm Tara and I am a folio Services 23 00:01:01,079 --> 00:01:06,600 analyst with index data I'm also a 24 00:01:04,019 --> 00:01:08,640 librarian and an author and an Iron Man 25 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,860 believe it or not 26 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,320 so thanks so much for joining me today 27 00:01:10,860 --> 00:01:16,080 for this weirdly titled presentation on 28 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:18,060 folio so who here actually knows what 29 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,100 folio is 30 00:01:18,060 --> 00:01:22,799 oh I see two hands that's better than I 31 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:24,780 thought I was gonna do that's great 32 00:01:22,799 --> 00:01:26,640 um so just to set a baseline which I 33 00:01:24,780 --> 00:01:27,600 will totally destroy over the next 40 34 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,420 minutes 35 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,979 um here's what folio really is in the 36 00:01:30,420 --> 00:01:35,220 most basic sense 37 00:01:31,979 --> 00:01:37,259 um to most actual Library users folio is 38 00:01:35,220 --> 00:01:39,240 just a piece of software that you use to 39 00:01:37,259 --> 00:01:41,220 run your library right 40 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,380 there are a few features of folio that 41 00:01:41,220 --> 00:01:45,840 make it special but really to the people 42 00:01:43,380 --> 00:01:48,360 who do day-to-day work it's not that 43 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:51,299 different from any other Library System 44 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:54,840 except it kind of is and the reason it 45 00:01:51,299 --> 00:01:57,000 is special is because it is open 46 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,920 so folio stands for the future of 47 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,780 libraries is open and hopefully that 48 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,180 means that everything I'm about to say 49 00:02:00,780 --> 00:02:04,399 is inherently interesting to the people 50 00:02:03,180 --> 00:02:06,780 in this room 51 00:02:04,399 --> 00:02:09,179 folio is pretty much defined by its 52 00:02:06,780 --> 00:02:12,060 openness not only is it open source it's 53 00:02:09,179 --> 00:02:13,920 an open Community as well 54 00:02:12,060 --> 00:02:15,720 um to be honest I really really 55 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:17,160 struggled with how to talk about folio 56 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,920 as an open source software at this 57 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,959 conference because it's such a massive 58 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:23,640 topic and there are so many people 59 00:02:21,959 --> 00:02:25,500 better qualified than me who could be 60 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:28,080 here talking to you today about folio 61 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:29,879 such as my boss Sebastian Hammer who is 62 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,819 an amazing incredible open source 63 00:02:29,879 --> 00:02:34,440 Advocate and like literally a million 64 00:02:32,819 --> 00:02:36,300 times more experience than me or 65 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,520 literally any of the developers that I 66 00:02:36,300 --> 00:02:40,020 work with at index data could have given 67 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,480 you an amazing presentation on the 68 00:02:40,020 --> 00:02:44,040 technical choices that make folio a 69 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,680 really interesting open source product 70 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,500 or our community advocate Peter Murray 71 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,700 who I stole half of these slides from 72 00:02:48,500 --> 00:02:54,060 let's just say I feel like I was an 73 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:56,819 unlikely choice to present on folio 74 00:02:54,060 --> 00:02:58,500 but the thing about folio is it belongs 75 00:02:56,819 --> 00:03:00,959 to everyone who is involved in the 76 00:02:58,500 --> 00:03:02,879 project and I may not be the most senior 77 00:03:00,959 --> 00:03:04,860 or the most technical person who works 78 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:07,200 with folio but I am a part of this 79 00:03:04,860 --> 00:03:09,480 project in addition to helping libraries 80 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,040 like kaval here in Australia get live on 81 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,680 folio and training and supporting 82 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:16,080 libraries on folio I also for example 83 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,300 run the folio implementers Group which 84 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,620 is sort of a support group for newbie 85 00:03:18,300 --> 00:03:22,019 libraries that are getting running on 86 00:03:19,620 --> 00:03:24,000 folio 87 00:03:22,019 --> 00:03:26,580 and where they can ask questions that 88 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,640 don't fit anywhere else so who's to say 89 00:03:26,580 --> 00:03:32,280 that my perspective on folio is less 90 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:34,140 than anyone else's just because I'm a 91 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,879 user 92 00:03:34,140 --> 00:03:37,560 so as I mentioned I'm also a writer I 93 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:39,120 write young adult books and there's a 94 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,560 pretty well known piece of advice which 95 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,720 is write the story only you could tell 96 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,819 and it's been said by like a million 97 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,379 people but I'm pretty sure like 90 of 98 00:03:44,819 --> 00:03:48,239 them are just riffing off this Neil game 99 00:03:46,379 --> 00:03:50,280 unquote so I'm going to present to you 100 00:03:48,239 --> 00:03:52,159 the presentation only I can present 101 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,959 which is a presentation from the ground 102 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:56,819 because my job and in the community I 103 00:03:54,959 --> 00:03:59,280 mainly work with actual users who are 104 00:03:56,819 --> 00:04:00,659 getting up to speed on folio and I hope 105 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,519 that if you do have technical questions 106 00:04:00,659 --> 00:04:04,560 or you do specific things that you want 107 00:04:02,519 --> 00:04:05,819 to learn that I don't talk about that 108 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,500 you'll reach out and I can put you in 109 00:04:05,819 --> 00:04:09,480 touch with the right people if I'm not 110 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:11,099 the right person 111 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,780 speaking of books and I swear this is 112 00:04:11,099 --> 00:04:15,239 relevant while I was working on this 113 00:04:12,780 --> 00:04:16,799 presentation I also read this book which 114 00:04:15,239 --> 00:04:18,479 is just amazing it's basically about 115 00:04:16,799 --> 00:04:19,859 underground spaces and caving but 116 00:04:18,479 --> 00:04:22,019 there's this amazing quote in there 117 00:04:19,859 --> 00:04:25,800 where the author is talking to someone 118 00:04:22,019 --> 00:04:27,360 named Merlin sheldrake and he talks 119 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,940 about how for every very polished 120 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:32,100 hypothesis evidence proof paper that he 121 00:04:29,940 --> 00:04:34,979 writes he also wants to write its dark 122 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:38,000 twin it's underground mirror piece the 123 00:04:34,979 --> 00:04:41,400 true story underlying the Tidy Narrative 124 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:43,380 of hypothesis evidence proof and I 125 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,780 really like that idea particularly if 126 00:04:43,380 --> 00:04:47,639 we're talking about the idealism in 127 00:04:45,780 --> 00:04:51,720 folio as an open source collaboration 128 00:04:47,639 --> 00:04:53,100 versus the slight messiness of the 129 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,780 actual work 130 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:56,940 so today as promised I'm going to 131 00:04:54,780 --> 00:04:59,340 provide you with a presentation on folio 132 00:04:56,940 --> 00:05:00,479 entitled Swiss Army Glam as it says on 133 00:04:59,340 --> 00:05:03,120 your schedule we're going to talk about 134 00:05:00,479 --> 00:05:04,979 the folio ILS the folio community and 135 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,259 folio users exploring the space where 136 00:05:04,979 --> 00:05:09,360 the three meet and the challenges of 137 00:05:07,259 --> 00:05:11,220 working in an open environment but I 138 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,560 will also be occasionally interjecting 139 00:05:11,220 --> 00:05:15,780 this powerpoint's underground mirror 140 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,699 piece it's dark twin 141 00:05:15,780 --> 00:05:19,500 so again to reintroduce myself I'm Tara 142 00:05:17,699 --> 00:05:21,120 and I'm an analyst and a librarian and 143 00:05:19,500 --> 00:05:23,100 an author and an Iron Man and I'm here 144 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,440 to talk to you about folio today from 145 00:05:23,100 --> 00:05:26,639 both sides of the mirror 146 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,220 so 147 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:31,199 what is folio really 148 00:05:29,220 --> 00:05:32,580 according to the website folio is an 149 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:34,500 open source project that aims to 150 00:05:32,580 --> 00:05:36,000 reimagine library software through a 151 00:05:34,500 --> 00:05:38,880 unique collaboration of libraries 152 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,199 developers and vendors it moves beyond 153 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,840 the traditional Library management 154 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:44,580 system to a new paradigm where apps are 155 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:46,500 built on an open platform providing 156 00:05:44,580 --> 00:05:49,380 libraries more choice and delivering new 157 00:05:46,500 --> 00:05:50,940 services to users ooh 158 00:05:49,380 --> 00:05:55,320 I'm not even going to get an uh for that 159 00:05:50,940 --> 00:05:57,780 one okay to which we might say cool so 160 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,580 what is it 161 00:05:57,780 --> 00:06:00,960 that's understandable so the reason it 162 00:05:59,580 --> 00:06:02,699 can be a little challenging to 163 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,560 understand what folio is is that we're 164 00:06:02,699 --> 00:06:07,620 often talking about a bunch of different 165 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:09,539 things when we're when we say folio so 166 00:06:07,620 --> 00:06:11,039 we're talking about a project and we're 167 00:06:09,539 --> 00:06:12,360 talking about a piece of software and 168 00:06:11,039 --> 00:06:14,220 sometimes we're talking about a platform 169 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,840 on which smaller pieces of software run 170 00:06:14,220 --> 00:06:17,820 sometimes we're talking about the 171 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:19,680 community honestly to this day I am not 172 00:06:17,820 --> 00:06:21,660 sure how many definitions of folio there 173 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,979 actually are 174 00:06:21,660 --> 00:06:24,479 So today we're actually going to be 175 00:06:22,979 --> 00:06:26,819 focusing mostly on what I would call the 176 00:06:24,479 --> 00:06:28,319 folio community and the folio users but 177 00:06:26,819 --> 00:06:30,300 in order to do that I need to tell you 178 00:06:28,319 --> 00:06:32,520 at least a little bit about folio as an 179 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:35,220 ILS so that we have a general sense of 180 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:38,160 why that's important 181 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:39,660 okay so what is the folio ILS and before 182 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,340 we go any further I was hoping I could 183 00:06:39,660 --> 00:06:43,800 ask a really basic question and I bet I 184 00:06:41,340 --> 00:06:47,340 know the answer who here knows what the 185 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,319 terms ILS LMS and LSP mean 186 00:06:47,340 --> 00:06:51,660 and get those two hands back up there oh 187 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:54,780 wait okay we got slightly more hands oh 188 00:06:51,660 --> 00:06:55,979 I had a shaky hand okay so when I ask 189 00:06:54,780 --> 00:06:58,740 that question when I do library 190 00:06:55,979 --> 00:07:01,080 trainings I get a lot of like well uh 191 00:06:58,740 --> 00:07:04,080 it's an ILS or 192 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:08,520 um they'll say like and ILS is Sierra or 193 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:10,500 Alma or aleph right it is that it is and 194 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,900 ILS is so important to libraries that 195 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:16,199 it's basically a tautology to most users 196 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:17,819 because it's where we do all of our work 197 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:19,560 but for non-library people that's not 198 00:07:17,819 --> 00:07:21,660 super useful as a definition so if 199 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,699 you've never worked in a library and ILS 200 00:07:21,660 --> 00:07:25,919 is the system that runs pretty much the 201 00:07:23,699 --> 00:07:27,599 whole Library it holds your inventory it 202 00:07:25,919 --> 00:07:30,240 gives you the ability to circulate that 203 00:07:27,599 --> 00:07:32,099 inventory to patrons it lets you buy 204 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,960 stuff and track how much you bought it 205 00:07:32,099 --> 00:07:35,479 integrates with other systems it lets 206 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,919 you catalog your stuff 207 00:07:35,479 --> 00:07:39,960 and then we have this other term which 208 00:07:37,919 --> 00:07:41,520 is LSP which is a new and totally 209 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,020 separate thing but it's actually pretty 210 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,419 much the exact same thing but with 211 00:07:43,020 --> 00:07:46,740 e-resources 212 00:07:45,419 --> 00:07:48,900 um it's actually a little more 213 00:07:46,740 --> 00:07:50,460 complicated than that and hopefully LSP 214 00:07:48,900 --> 00:07:52,440 means something really specific in the 215 00:07:50,460 --> 00:07:54,539 folio Community but that is like a whole 216 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,380 other 45 minute presentation we will not 217 00:07:54,539 --> 00:07:57,380 be getting into today 218 00:07:57,479 --> 00:08:01,319 so yeah I realize if you are not a 219 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,960 library person this is still not super 220 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:07,020 helpful so hold on to your hats 221 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:09,960 this is folio 222 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:12,960 Tada wait I got a Tata okay we're doing 223 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:15,660 pretty good so folio looks like this 224 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:18,000 and folio is made up of apps and those 225 00:08:15,660 --> 00:08:20,340 apps are all different but generally 226 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,500 they look kind of like this so this is 227 00:08:20,340 --> 00:08:24,419 our inventory app it's what holds you 228 00:08:22,500 --> 00:08:27,180 know all the stuff that you own 229 00:08:24,419 --> 00:08:29,099 it can also look like this this is the 230 00:08:27,180 --> 00:08:31,500 ldp app which is awesome because it's 231 00:08:29,099 --> 00:08:34,380 for reporting it's my favorite app I do 232 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:36,719 have favorites every app serves a very 233 00:08:34,380 --> 00:08:39,120 narrow purpose so rather than have an 234 00:08:36,719 --> 00:08:41,580 app for circulation we have apps for 235 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,080 check in and checkout and keeping apps 236 00:08:41,580 --> 00:08:45,600 super narrow is an important part of 237 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,580 folio's design most workflows that users 238 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:50,959 complete in folio will involve moving 239 00:08:47,580 --> 00:08:50,959 between multiple apps 240 00:08:51,420 --> 00:08:56,459 um so I I had hoped to very quickly show 241 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,320 you folio working live because like as a 242 00:08:56,459 --> 00:08:59,940 trainer it's like Unthinkable to me to 243 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,339 give a presentation on folio and not 244 00:08:59,940 --> 00:09:04,680 actually show it to you so this is what 245 00:09:02,339 --> 00:09:06,540 folio looks like and what we saw in 246 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:08,220 those screenshots were these apps up 247 00:09:06,540 --> 00:09:11,339 here so these are all of the apps and 248 00:09:08,220 --> 00:09:13,080 folios and we've got even more here 249 00:09:11,339 --> 00:09:15,180 um and each of these haps have a really 250 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,920 narrow workflow so for example this is 251 00:09:15,180 --> 00:09:19,680 that inventory app that we saw that 252 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:23,399 hopefully is going to work for me 253 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:27,420 we can search an inventory 254 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:31,200 we can look at an item in inventory we 255 00:09:27,420 --> 00:09:32,880 can copy that item's barcode and let's 256 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,680 just do something in folio so we've got 257 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,620 a barcode maybe we want to check that 258 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:40,260 out to a user so I could scan a user's 259 00:09:37,620 --> 00:09:42,000 barcode bring up the user's record oh 260 00:09:40,260 --> 00:09:44,459 look it's me 261 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,560 check out the item 262 00:09:44,459 --> 00:09:48,959 right and so this is us doing our work 263 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:51,680 moving through apps in folio that's what 264 00:09:48,959 --> 00:09:51,680 folio is 265 00:09:51,839 --> 00:09:57,120 so who knows what an ILS is now 266 00:09:55,019 --> 00:09:58,260 really oh wait we got an extra hand okay 267 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,060 all right 268 00:09:58,260 --> 00:10:01,860 I reached one what more can you ask for 269 00:10:00,060 --> 00:10:03,899 where is my mouse 270 00:10:01,860 --> 00:10:05,399 there we go 271 00:10:03,899 --> 00:10:08,100 all right 272 00:10:05,399 --> 00:10:10,500 so if you want to see more folio or see 273 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:12,720 how folio applies to your area if you 274 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:14,700 are a library person you can actually 275 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,019 log in yourself and go exploring you can 276 00:10:14,700 --> 00:10:18,779 log in at that address that's the 277 00:10:16,019 --> 00:10:19,680 username and password and you can put 278 00:10:18,779 --> 00:10:21,120 whatever you want in there it's 279 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:23,519 refreshed every night you can't hurt it 280 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:26,399 it's awesome 281 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:28,260 so folio is just an ILS but there are a 282 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:30,540 few things that make it special and one 283 00:10:28,260 --> 00:10:33,360 of those things is folio's history why 284 00:10:30,540 --> 00:10:35,820 folio exists at all 285 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,800 so this is a massive oversimplification 286 00:10:35,820 --> 00:10:39,600 but basically it used to be the case 287 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,760 that there were many ILS options 288 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,620 available but over time through mergers 289 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,720 and Acquisitions there are not a whole 290 00:10:43,620 --> 00:10:48,660 lot of options left especially for big 291 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,399 libraries with complex needs in addition 292 00:10:48,660 --> 00:10:52,320 to that type of consolidation which is 293 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:54,720 called horizontal consolidation there's 294 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,339 also vertical consolidation which for 295 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,579 libraries is where the folks who sell 296 00:10:56,339 --> 00:11:03,779 you the content also own the ILS and 297 00:10:59,579 --> 00:11:08,459 that is bad that is not great generally 298 00:11:03,779 --> 00:11:09,899 agreed to be not awesome for libraries 299 00:11:08,459 --> 00:11:12,440 um so a bunch of libraries did not like 300 00:11:09,899 --> 00:11:16,260 that and they decided to make folio 301 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:18,060 folio was launched in 2015-16 as a 302 00:11:16,260 --> 00:11:20,040 collaboration between index data where I 303 00:11:18,060 --> 00:11:21,959 work ebsco and Olay which is the open 304 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,120 Library environment and that was kind of 305 00:11:21,959 --> 00:11:26,579 like an open source ancestor of folios 306 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,560 right from the start it was designed to 307 00:11:26,579 --> 00:11:30,720 encourage Innovation and to serve the 308 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:33,720 entire spectrum of current and future 309 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,760 needs of libraries folio was designed to 310 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:38,279 be modern and open source and extensible 311 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,260 and Community Based the first libraries 312 00:11:38,279 --> 00:11:42,180 went live in 2019 and at this point 313 00:11:40,260 --> 00:11:44,399 there are over 60 libraries worldwide 314 00:11:42,180 --> 00:11:48,000 using the system the Library of Congress 315 00:11:44,399 --> 00:11:49,980 picked folio as their ILS in 2022 and 316 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,680 obviously we have a couple of friends in 317 00:11:49,980 --> 00:11:54,360 Australia now as well 318 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:56,100 all of this happened well before I 319 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,500 joined the project I joined the project 320 00:11:56,100 --> 00:12:00,000 in 2022 and one of the first things I 321 00:11:58,500 --> 00:12:01,680 heard about was that the Library of 322 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,079 Congress was considering folio that's 323 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:05,760 sort of when I came on and one thing 324 00:12:04,079 --> 00:12:06,839 that's interesting about coming to folio 325 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,579 late 326 00:12:06,839 --> 00:12:11,820 um like me is that many people who have 327 00:12:08,579 --> 00:12:13,620 been with the folio project sort of from 328 00:12:11,820 --> 00:12:15,240 the beginning are still around and they 329 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:17,640 have that actual lived experience of 330 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,680 that original Mission of folio 331 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,779 by the time I came to folio it was 332 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:24,300 already a functional enough product that 333 00:12:21,779 --> 00:12:26,700 I could be like annoyed with it right 334 00:12:24,300 --> 00:12:28,560 and that in itself is kind of miraculous 335 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:29,760 like it sprang into being and now it can 336 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:31,140 just be an irritating thing I have to 337 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,279 deal with 338 00:12:31,140 --> 00:12:34,440 um you don't need to know the whole 339 00:12:32,279 --> 00:12:36,959 history of ILS development in order to 340 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,040 understand folio but it does help when 341 00:12:36,959 --> 00:12:40,380 you're trying to contextualize 342 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,860 conversations about folio that include 343 00:12:40,380 --> 00:12:42,860 that history 344 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:48,060 another thing that makes folio different 345 00:12:45,060 --> 00:12:50,279 as an ILS is that it has that app-based 346 00:12:48,060 --> 00:12:52,740 design so going back to the ILS folio is 347 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:54,360 made up of apps I've covered that my 348 00:12:52,740 --> 00:12:56,639 favorite app is ldp and each of those 349 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,740 squares up there represents an app 350 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:01,320 Foley was an open platform that provides 351 00:12:58,740 --> 00:13:03,660 an environment in which modules run and 352 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,579 as long as you can make an app that fits 353 00:13:03,660 --> 00:13:07,920 into the folio framework anyone can come 354 00:13:05,579 --> 00:13:09,420 along and make a new app it doesn't even 355 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,220 necessarily need to be sort of a 356 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:12,480 traditional Library app you could for 357 00:13:11,220 --> 00:13:14,279 example make an app that handles 358 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:17,160 timesheets right if that was something 359 00:13:14,279 --> 00:13:18,899 that your library needed anyone can come 360 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,300 build new apps and replace the existing 361 00:13:18,899 --> 00:13:23,160 ones and to be clear that is very 362 00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:25,040 different from how other systems have 363 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,820 functioned in the past other 364 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,680 module-based systems like if you're 365 00:13:26,820 --> 00:13:30,660 familiar with Library software might 366 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:32,700 look superficially the same but in 367 00:13:30,660 --> 00:13:34,680 general you can't take a chunk out of 368 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:37,279 most ils's and just replace them with 369 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:37,279 your own parts 370 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:42,480 and folio does work it works well enough 371 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:44,279 that 60 very real libraries including 372 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:48,060 some big names in the academic sphere 373 00:13:44,279 --> 00:13:50,339 are running a library on folio but folio 374 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:52,320 is not done and it will never be done 375 00:13:50,339 --> 00:13:54,480 and the ways in which it is not finished 376 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:57,660 can be painful for libraries who are on 377 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:59,880 fully of today as tools get refined and 378 00:13:57,660 --> 00:14:01,079 added things get better but there are 379 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,600 some unresolved areas needing 380 00:14:01,079 --> 00:14:06,540 development that real users find very 381 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:08,399 challenging and just build a better app 382 00:14:06,540 --> 00:14:10,200 if you need it is not something that 383 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:13,139 most libraries are realistically 384 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:15,959 equipped to do right now some do that's 385 00:14:13,139 --> 00:14:17,940 true and it's awesome but like anything 386 00:14:15,959 --> 00:14:20,459 at open source that requires resources 387 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:21,420 and those resources are always in short 388 00:14:20,459 --> 00:14:23,880 supply 389 00:14:21,420 --> 00:14:26,940 so we're on we're on this side with a 390 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:29,339 little Swiss Army knife 391 00:14:26,940 --> 00:14:31,320 that said you can actually build a lot 392 00:14:29,339 --> 00:14:34,320 you can actually build out a lot of 393 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,880 functionality in folio using apis one of 394 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,200 the coolest things to me about folio is 395 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,180 that almost anything that you can do in 396 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:42,540 the UI you can actually do directly with 397 00:14:39,180 --> 00:14:45,060 apis as well and that's by Design and 398 00:14:42,540 --> 00:14:47,220 folio users have built some really cool 399 00:14:45,060 --> 00:14:49,620 stuff that's technically outside of 400 00:14:47,220 --> 00:14:52,320 folio so that includes tools to load 401 00:14:49,620 --> 00:14:54,060 invoices tools to test circulation rules 402 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,639 tools to load users or move settings 403 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:58,560 between environments 404 00:14:56,639 --> 00:15:01,019 um and every time I see one of these API 405 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:03,060 based Solutions I get really excited 406 00:15:01,019 --> 00:15:05,820 because they are usually such small 407 00:15:03,060 --> 00:15:07,680 projects right they're such small needs 408 00:15:05,820 --> 00:15:10,079 they're really targeted to fit the needs 409 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,339 of one person or one library and I just 410 00:15:10,079 --> 00:15:13,260 love that someone looked at an 411 00:15:11,339 --> 00:15:16,100 inefficiency and they opened up their 412 00:15:13,260 --> 00:15:18,360 laptop and they just wrote it right 413 00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:20,820 sometimes it's people who are just 414 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,440 learning to code as well my favorite 415 00:15:20,820 --> 00:15:24,360 channel on the folio slack is actually 416 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,519 learning apis I have a favorite Channel 417 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,260 as well 418 00:15:25,519 --> 00:15:30,600 that kind of direct action just makes me 419 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:31,860 so incredibly happy it's one of the 420 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,279 really cool things about working with 421 00:15:31,860 --> 00:15:34,279 folio 422 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,459 but 423 00:15:35,820 --> 00:15:39,720 cool as that is what's not being said 424 00:15:38,459 --> 00:15:41,699 there is that if you're doing something 425 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,260 with apis it's probably because that 426 00:15:41,699 --> 00:15:45,720 functionality is not yet built into 427 00:15:43,260 --> 00:15:47,399 folio apis are sometimes used like 428 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,760 little Band-Aids in the folio Community 429 00:15:47,399 --> 00:15:52,260 which is on the one hand really cool and 430 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,600 kind of challenges our definition of 431 00:15:52,260 --> 00:15:56,160 what the boundaries of folio are but on 432 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,320 the other hand it's not great for users 433 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,839 who are not comfortable with even basic 434 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,459 processes with an API 435 00:16:00,839 --> 00:16:05,220 but this is the most important point for 436 00:16:02,459 --> 00:16:07,079 our story today your ILS is where all of 437 00:16:05,220 --> 00:16:09,060 your library's work happens and your ILS 438 00:16:07,079 --> 00:16:10,680 is really important that one extra 439 00:16:09,060 --> 00:16:12,240 keystroke that you have to make in a 440 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,160 circulation transaction is a keystroke 441 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,199 that you will have to make like 70 442 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,820 billion times that is how much work we 443 00:16:16,199 --> 00:16:19,260 do in the ILS 444 00:16:17,820 --> 00:16:21,360 that's the kind of Reliance that 445 00:16:19,260 --> 00:16:22,800 libraries have on this system another 446 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,860 way that you can tell how important the 447 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:28,680 ILS is is that if it goes down the the 448 00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:30,420 library basically stops running 449 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,760 um so even if you don't quite follow 450 00:16:30,420 --> 00:16:35,459 what an ILS does let's all just agree 451 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:37,800 that the design of an ILS is super 452 00:16:35,459 --> 00:16:39,300 important to the people who work in 453 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,339 libraries 454 00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:43,320 we're all on board that okay 455 00:16:41,339 --> 00:16:45,540 all right so now that we know literally 456 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,880 what folio is now we can talk about the 457 00:16:45,540 --> 00:16:50,040 folio community 458 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,079 so what is the folio Community what does 459 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,420 that mean 460 00:16:52,079 --> 00:16:56,519 the folio Community is anyone who is 461 00:16:54,420 --> 00:16:59,220 involved with folio the folio Community 462 00:16:56,519 --> 00:17:01,500 made folio and the folio Community is 463 00:16:59,220 --> 00:17:04,199 the collectivity that moves the project 464 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:06,600 forward folio isn't just open source 465 00:17:04,199 --> 00:17:08,880 it's also an open Community anyone can 466 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:12,059 join and anyone who joins can have a 467 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,980 voice in the direction of folio 468 00:17:12,059 --> 00:17:17,220 the community is made up of subject 469 00:17:13,980 --> 00:17:18,720 matter experts which are called smes 470 00:17:17,220 --> 00:17:21,059 which is not a term I had heard before 471 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:23,880 working with folio and I find ridiculous 472 00:17:21,059 --> 00:17:27,660 it also includes developers user 473 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:31,140 experience designers and product owners 474 00:17:27,660 --> 00:17:34,860 some of those people work in libraries 475 00:17:31,140 --> 00:17:36,660 other people like me work as vendors in 476 00:17:34,860 --> 00:17:38,760 libraries we basically call everyone who 477 00:17:36,660 --> 00:17:40,919 isn't a library a vendor if a library 478 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:44,460 exchanges money with you you're probably 479 00:17:40,919 --> 00:17:47,100 a vendor it's really weird to be a 480 00:17:44,460 --> 00:17:49,559 former Library employee 481 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:51,660 um who who now works as a vendor 482 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:55,380 especially in an open source context 483 00:17:51,660 --> 00:17:58,080 it's kind of like joining the dark side 484 00:17:55,380 --> 00:18:00,360 um people make that joke to me all the 485 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,740 time every conference I've been to since 486 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:04,380 I started working at index data someone 487 00:18:01,740 --> 00:18:06,960 has come up to me and welcomed me to the 488 00:18:04,380 --> 00:18:08,460 dark side which is very weird and it's 489 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,200 especially weird because most other 490 00:18:08,460 --> 00:18:13,200 people I talk to who are employed by 491 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,600 vendors in the folio Community are just 492 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,039 like me 493 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,840 they're former Library staff who wanted 494 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:20,760 to focus on something like training or 495 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:23,039 implementation and there aren't a lot of 496 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,600 jobs like that in libraries so you know 497 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:26,820 I try to be really upfront when I 498 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,960 interact with the community 499 00:18:26,820 --> 00:18:29,940 um 500 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,100 about the fact that I work for a vendor 501 00:18:29,940 --> 00:18:34,559 even though index data is pretty widely 502 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:37,020 regarded as being like good people I'm 503 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:38,520 pretty proud of that but that's why I 504 00:18:37,020 --> 00:18:41,039 try to make sure I introduce myself as 505 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,360 Tara from index data because even though 506 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:44,299 vendors are really important to the 507 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:46,620 community and we are seen as players 508 00:18:44,299 --> 00:18:48,179 we're also viewed as sort of suspicious 509 00:18:46,620 --> 00:18:49,919 for reasons that I think are actually 510 00:18:48,179 --> 00:18:51,539 kind of fair 511 00:18:49,919 --> 00:18:53,520 which brings me to a weird observation 512 00:18:51,539 --> 00:18:55,500 about how open source collaboration and 513 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,780 folio actually seems to work from my 514 00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:59,280 perspective everyone in the folio 515 00:18:57,780 --> 00:19:00,840 Community has multiple forms of 516 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,059 expertise and multiple ways of 517 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,039 participating people can be both product 518 00:19:03,059 --> 00:19:06,960 owners and subject matter experts or 519 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:10,740 Librarians and vendors and it's all 520 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:12,720 basically like joyful chaos 521 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:14,340 but I really like seeing the places 522 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,559 where people who are leaders in some 523 00:19:14,340 --> 00:19:18,299 areas become resources or experts in 524 00:19:16,559 --> 00:19:19,799 others so like I mentioned that I'm 525 00:19:18,299 --> 00:19:21,600 currently running the folio implementers 526 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:23,820 group and that position has a one-year 527 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,799 term and last year I was a participant 528 00:19:23,820 --> 00:19:27,059 and this year I'm in charge and I took a 529 00:19:25,799 --> 00:19:28,740 lot of inspiration from the person who 530 00:19:27,059 --> 00:19:30,299 ran the group before me but I also get 531 00:19:28,740 --> 00:19:32,160 to make it my own 532 00:19:30,299 --> 00:19:33,840 there are just so many ways to step up 533 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:37,820 and engage that there are opportunities 534 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,820 for everyone in the folio community 535 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,780 I'm sure you saw this slide coming that 536 00:19:40,679 --> 00:19:45,120 said like any voluntary participation 537 00:19:42,780 --> 00:19:47,760 some roles go unfulfilled for a long 538 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:49,799 time in particular there's a lack of 539 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,660 product owners and that lack is having a 540 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:53,820 real effect on some core functionality 541 00:19:51,660 --> 00:19:55,440 without product owners there's no way to 542 00:19:53,820 --> 00:19:59,299 move an app forward and that's one of 543 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,299 the dangers of relying on volunteers 544 00:19:59,539 --> 00:20:03,419 so all of those people we just talked 545 00:20:01,679 --> 00:20:05,100 about are organized into what the folio 546 00:20:03,419 --> 00:20:08,820 project calls sigs special interest 547 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:10,559 groups or cigs they're topic based 548 00:20:08,820 --> 00:20:12,600 groups that come together on slack 549 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:15,000 mostly to serve as the authority on 550 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:17,280 certain aspects of folio so for example 551 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:20,760 there's a resource access Sig that is 552 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:22,799 attended by all the ra smes 553 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,419 through special interest groups covering 554 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:25,980 different areas of expertise the 555 00:20:24,419 --> 00:20:28,140 community Works directly with product 556 00:20:25,980 --> 00:20:29,940 designers and development teams to 557 00:20:28,140 --> 00:20:31,799 oversee the apps specific to their 558 00:20:29,940 --> 00:20:33,539 interests with product and Technical 559 00:20:31,799 --> 00:20:35,580 committees keeping the project oriented 560 00:20:33,539 --> 00:20:37,740 in terms of strategic Direction and good 561 00:20:35,580 --> 00:20:41,280 technical choices I believe that is how 562 00:20:37,740 --> 00:20:43,440 they prefer to be explained 563 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,760 so sixth form consensus on folio 564 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,559 functionality through the creation of 565 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,720 use cases documents reactions to 566 00:20:46,559 --> 00:20:51,059 prototypes and code Snippets they also 567 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,980 document existing functionality mostly 568 00:20:51,059 --> 00:20:55,140 and contribute to user acceptance 569 00:20:52,980 --> 00:20:57,900 testing and bug identification to ensure 570 00:20:55,140 --> 00:20:59,520 functionality performs as specified Sig 571 00:20:57,900 --> 00:21:01,320 serve as a forum for the product owners 572 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,480 subject matter experts developers and 573 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,280 end users to exchange ideas develop 574 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,960 shared goals for the folio project and 575 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,539 researched and develop new interchange 576 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:13,080 standards with widely used software 577 00:21:09,539 --> 00:21:15,480 so basically six decide how the apps and 578 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,160 folio get made and maintained which is 579 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,500 pretty cool 580 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,720 and six can be really really powerful 581 00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:23,340 because folio is designed in such a way 582 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,679 that we start with the user experience 583 00:21:23,340 --> 00:21:27,900 design centering the needs of the end 584 00:21:25,679 --> 00:21:30,179 users 585 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:32,340 in theory the design of folio happens 586 00:21:30,179 --> 00:21:34,860 something like this so we discuss things 587 00:21:32,340 --> 00:21:37,020 in sigs and things progressively become 588 00:21:34,860 --> 00:21:40,919 more real right 589 00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:43,200 note my use of in theory there though 590 00:21:40,919 --> 00:21:45,179 in the early days of folio collaboration 591 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:48,659 in the sigs looked something like this 592 00:21:45,179 --> 00:21:52,020 participation was pretty literal and 593 00:21:48,659 --> 00:21:54,419 direct kind of Hands-On here 594 00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:57,059 user experience designers took the ideas 595 00:21:54,419 --> 00:22:01,860 and needs developed in the sigs and they 596 00:21:57,059 --> 00:22:04,799 created sketches and then wireframes 597 00:22:01,860 --> 00:22:07,559 which became prototypes so not working 598 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:09,780 on the side and then working code and 599 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:12,440 that's real folio over there and voila 600 00:22:09,780 --> 00:22:12,440 we have an app 601 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:18,539 so obviously today if you want to make 602 00:22:15,179 --> 00:22:20,280 work happen in folio you should join a 603 00:22:18,539 --> 00:22:24,919 Sig and it will happen 604 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,919 you too can put Post-it notes on a wall 605 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:30,120 except actually being in a Sig can feel 606 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:33,120 more like this 607 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:35,640 six are important but they are also just 608 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:37,380 zoom meetings and slack channels they 609 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,640 have roles and they have duties but at 610 00:22:37,380 --> 00:22:41,220 the end of the day they are places 611 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,440 filled with real people having real 612 00:22:41,220 --> 00:22:45,480 arguments 613 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,400 talking through real problems and on the 614 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,500 ground in reality 615 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:52,020 that can be kind of boring and 616 00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:53,280 frustrating and about as fun as a condo 617 00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:54,900 meeting 618 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,880 maybe a thing that you have here I'm not 619 00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:59,840 sure whatever condo meetings are 620 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,840 terrible okay 621 00:23:00,260 --> 00:23:04,620 frustration with the sigs and with folio 622 00:23:02,460 --> 00:23:07,500 governance in general is pretty common 623 00:23:04,620 --> 00:23:09,360 in the folio community so these are just 624 00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:11,039 a few quotes 625 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,960 about that I will not read them because 626 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:15,360 they are mean 627 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:18,059 but I think it helps that we the folio 628 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:19,440 Community know that it's real you might 629 00:23:18,059 --> 00:23:21,840 think that I pulled those quotes from 630 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:25,140 some secret back Channel file I keep or 631 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:27,480 something but actually the folio 632 00:23:25,140 --> 00:23:29,820 Community is very open about problems 633 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,860 within the folio Community all of the 634 00:23:29,820 --> 00:23:33,360 comments you see here were collected 635 00:23:31,860 --> 00:23:35,940 during an initiative Following last 636 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:37,559 year's wolf con and it's pretty easy to 637 00:23:35,940 --> 00:23:39,960 see for yourself where the problems are 638 00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:42,600 are slack channels are open and people 639 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:45,740 are they're kind but they do not pull 640 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,740 their punches on there 641 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,400 so what's important for our story today 642 00:23:48,059 --> 00:23:52,559 is that the folio Community is what 643 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,780 makes folio happen everything that 644 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:56,760 happens in folio emerges out of that 645 00:23:54,780 --> 00:23:58,799 open community and while the community 646 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,780 really values the direct interaction 647 00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:03,360 with the project you can't get around 648 00:24:00,780 --> 00:24:04,919 fact that democracy kind of sucks 649 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:06,419 sometimes 650 00:24:04,919 --> 00:24:08,960 in general almost all of those 651 00:24:06,419 --> 00:24:11,280 complaints can be summed up thusly 652 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,960 arguing with people lobbying for 653 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,340 features to be developed watching 654 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,700 someone with more money and more power 655 00:24:14,340 --> 00:24:19,500 walk all over you is not fun it's also 656 00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:20,880 not fun to be overruled and watch a 657 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:22,020 decision that you think is stupid get 658 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,059 made 659 00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:25,559 but that is part of working together and 660 00:24:24,059 --> 00:24:29,419 working together is something we value 661 00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:29,419 even when it kind of sucks 662 00:24:29,580 --> 00:24:34,500 Okay so we've talked about the ILS and 663 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:36,780 we've talked about the community but I 664 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:38,460 actually want to focus in on one aspect 665 00:24:36,780 --> 00:24:41,400 of the community that I care about a lot 666 00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:42,539 because I work with them which is the 667 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,400 users 668 00:24:42,539 --> 00:24:47,340 and when I say users I mean the real 669 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,440 book in hand barcode scanner at the 670 00:24:47,340 --> 00:24:51,600 ready slashing open the ill packages 671 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,880 users you can tell I came from access 672 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,640 services 673 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:58,980 so now of course or of course users are 674 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:02,100 a part of the community but in a lot of 675 00:24:58,980 --> 00:25:04,679 cases end users can kind of feel like 676 00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:06,480 the poor bleeding edge suckers who do to 677 00:25:04,679 --> 00:25:08,280 their organization's choices got stuck 678 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:12,020 using folio before the features that 679 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,020 they really needed were developed 680 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,440 so when I talk about users versus the 681 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,659 community I'm talking about all the 682 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:21,240 people who use and interact with folio 683 00:25:18,659 --> 00:25:24,120 and that includes Librarians heads of 684 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,980 departments systems and admin folks but 685 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:29,400 it also includes a lot of users that not 686 00:25:25,980 --> 00:25:31,919 everyone thinks about or knows when you 687 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,900 think about who works in a library right 688 00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:36,740 so when you think about a library you 689 00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:36,740 usually think about 690 00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:42,179 Librarians right obviously 691 00:25:39,620 --> 00:25:43,440 in the United States tons of work in 692 00:25:42,179 --> 00:25:44,820 libraries is actually done by 693 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,279 paraprofessionals which are people 694 00:25:44,820 --> 00:25:49,440 without Library Science degrees I was 695 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:51,419 actually a paraprofessional for 15 years 696 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,820 before I got my library science degree 697 00:25:51,419 --> 00:25:55,140 like six months ago 698 00:25:53,820 --> 00:25:57,299 and a ton of work at a University 699 00:25:55,140 --> 00:25:59,700 Library is also done by student workers 700 00:25:57,299 --> 00:26:01,860 so one of the major considerations when 701 00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:04,200 libraries are designing workflows is 702 00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:06,179 whether or not an 18 year old with no 703 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,279 job experience working 10 hours a week 704 00:26:06,179 --> 00:26:10,260 is going to be able to do the incredibly 705 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,700 specific workflow without making 706 00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:13,380 mistakes and without really 707 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:16,860 understanding the bigger theoretical 708 00:26:13,380 --> 00:26:20,400 picture that governs their work 709 00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:23,100 those are all folio users as well and 710 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,440 some of those users feel like they might 711 00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:27,900 be missing from the folio Community as 712 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:31,080 we imagine it 713 00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:32,820 so if you touch folio day to day you're 714 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,919 part of the folio Community whether you 715 00:26:32,820 --> 00:26:38,279 know it or not that's that's simply true 716 00:26:34,919 --> 00:26:40,200 any user can find a bug or suggest a 717 00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:42,659 feature and that can be reported upwards 718 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,100 even if the user themselves doesn't ever 719 00:26:42,659 --> 00:26:45,840 interact with the folio community 720 00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:47,340 directly 721 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,080 but I find that interesting because in 722 00:26:47,340 --> 00:26:51,659 the folio Community we often hear 723 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,820 there's no barrier to entry or there are 724 00:26:51,659 --> 00:26:57,360 no Gatekeepers we seem to be really 725 00:26:53,820 --> 00:27:00,240 value direct action with good reason but 726 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:03,059 that vision of participation is just not 727 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:06,059 viable for many users at many 728 00:27:03,059 --> 00:27:08,340 institutions participation takes time 729 00:27:06,059 --> 00:27:11,120 and not everyone has the time to sit 730 00:27:08,340 --> 00:27:13,679 through hours and hours of Sig meetings 731 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:16,919 libraries are notoriously understaffed 732 00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:19,140 now more than ever so for many libraries 733 00:27:16,919 --> 00:27:21,480 their main contact with the community is 734 00:27:19,140 --> 00:27:23,880 through a vendor or through a senior or 735 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,039 technical member of their staff if you 736 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,380 go on folio slack which all of you can 737 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:30,299 do by the way you'll often see 738 00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:32,820 representatives from index data or ebsco 739 00:27:30,299 --> 00:27:34,559 or Bywater representing Library Problems 740 00:27:32,820 --> 00:27:37,640 by proxy 741 00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:40,200 and that is totally fine actually 742 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,360 that is in fact what many libraries want 743 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,000 and what they pay vendors for 744 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:47,880 they just want a product that works 745 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,980 but it makes me a little bit curious as 746 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,700 a former paraprofessional about those 747 00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:52,700 missing voices 748 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:58,080 inequality doesn't disappear just 749 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,880 because folio opened the door it didn't 750 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,700 disappear just because we have this open 751 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:06,000 project there may be no Gatekeepers on 752 00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:08,279 the folio side anyone in this room could 753 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,659 be on folio slack making a Ruckus in a 754 00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:11,340 Sig meeting tomorrow it's totally 755 00:28:09,659 --> 00:28:13,980 possible you should do it 756 00:28:11,340 --> 00:28:16,440 but that's a little naive given how most 757 00:28:13,980 --> 00:28:19,200 libraries work Library staff are not 758 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,460 volunteers they're employees and in 759 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,559 order for them to participate in the 760 00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:25,020 folio Community they need to have time 761 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:27,179 allocated to that project that means 762 00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:29,520 that someone in the library has to Value 763 00:28:27,179 --> 00:28:31,679 their perspective enough to allocate 764 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,600 their time to the project so that their 765 00:28:31,679 --> 00:28:35,220 perspective can be heard 766 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,440 they need to be seen by their own 767 00:28:35,220 --> 00:28:40,080 institutions as worthy of telling their 768 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,120 own story and competent enough to 769 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,460 participate in those discussions 770 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,520 and that is not something that happens 771 00:28:44,460 --> 00:28:49,860 at every Library 772 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,320 but if we believe in the idealistic 773 00:28:49,860 --> 00:28:53,700 vision of a fully open folio we need to 774 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,620 be thinking about who is actually 775 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:57,419 selected to be in the room where 776 00:28:55,620 --> 00:29:00,240 conversations are happening 777 00:28:57,419 --> 00:29:02,600 technically open to everybody is not 778 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,600 good enough 779 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,320 so I wanted to talk about the challenges 780 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,720 that I specifically see in working with 781 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:12,179 an open source ILS for my kind of weird 782 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:15,240 vendory perspective if you were to ask 783 00:29:12,179 --> 00:29:17,580 any user what challenges of working with 784 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,620 folio art you would get a totally 785 00:29:17,580 --> 00:29:21,659 different answer someone in Technical 786 00:29:19,620 --> 00:29:23,039 Services might tell you that there's 787 00:29:21,659 --> 00:29:25,380 problems with data import and it's a 788 00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:26,640 fatal issue someone in a more senior 789 00:29:25,380 --> 00:29:28,559 role might point to the lack of 790 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,539 developers in the project but in my 791 00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:33,480 day-to-day work I do direct supportive 792 00:29:30,539 --> 00:29:35,760 libraries and a lot of training and so 793 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,679 what I see are a lot of on-the-ground 794 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,600 concerns that point to gaps between the 795 00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:42,720 community and the product itself that 796 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,360 aren't quite full filled by my role as a 797 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,919 vendor in between 798 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,779 obviously there are tons of challenges 799 00:29:46,919 --> 00:29:50,640 to go along with all the wonderful 800 00:29:48,779 --> 00:29:52,440 things about working with folio but 801 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,500 these are three things that I run into 802 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,120 again and again and again 803 00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:58,320 the first challenge is one that I am 804 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,779 sure most people here probably 805 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,820 understand all too well open source 806 00:30:00,779 --> 00:30:04,559 software is not free 807 00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:06,000 yeah 808 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:07,500 um obviously it takes resources to get 809 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,600 folio up and running but as I talked 810 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:11,820 about earlier time is also money even 811 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,279 libraries that pay a hosting provider 812 00:30:11,820 --> 00:30:15,960 like index data to take care of all the 813 00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:17,760 technical ways that open source software 814 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,980 is not free still tend to have 815 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,020 additional costs particularly if they've 816 00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:24,539 bought into the open ethos and they want 817 00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:26,760 to be real players in the community it 818 00:30:24,539 --> 00:30:28,380 costs time to attend sick meetings it 819 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,039 costs time to participate and be heard 820 00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:34,380 it takes time to write documentation 821 00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:35,940 it takes time to participate in bug Fest 822 00:30:34,380 --> 00:30:38,399 or other events 823 00:30:35,940 --> 00:30:40,500 folio is much more participatory than 824 00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:42,899 other ils's which is great and amazing 825 00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:44,340 and why we're all here but you know it 826 00:30:42,899 --> 00:30:47,279 costs time and therefore it costs money 827 00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:49,740 and that's hard for management to 828 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:51,240 um to plan for 829 00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:52,919 another challenge facing libraries 830 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,539 moving to folio is that features are 831 00:30:52,919 --> 00:30:56,520 still in development and they always 832 00:30:54,539 --> 00:30:57,600 will be and it's really hard thing to 833 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,960 handle when you're waiting for 834 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,279 functionality as an actual end user it 835 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,899 can be challenging in particular for 836 00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:06,600 libraries to navigate the things that 837 00:31:03,899 --> 00:31:08,220 their hosting provider can or will 838 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,500 control and the things that they can't 839 00:31:08,220 --> 00:31:12,779 just because the software is open source 840 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:14,640 doesn't necessarily mean that we can 841 00:31:12,779 --> 00:31:17,220 just reach in and tweak something on a 842 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,200 dime or you know even if we can maybe we 843 00:31:17,220 --> 00:31:20,760 shouldn't 844 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,860 and then the last one is that 845 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,860 documentation is very hard to understand 846 00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:27,539 in the folio project so 847 00:31:25,860 --> 00:31:29,399 um folio has documentation that most 848 00:31:27,539 --> 00:31:31,740 users would recognize as documentation 849 00:31:29,399 --> 00:31:34,260 but it isn't very process oriented and 850 00:31:31,740 --> 00:31:36,059 it isn't particularly deep it's easy to 851 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:38,580 figure out what particular Fields like 852 00:31:36,059 --> 00:31:39,899 literal fields are meant for but how 853 00:31:38,580 --> 00:31:42,240 you're actually supposed to do things in 854 00:31:39,899 --> 00:31:44,580 folio sometimes requires talking to a 855 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,740 human when I think of documentation in 856 00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:49,080 folio I think of like the whole messy 857 00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:50,820 information landscape that is the 858 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,460 product of our communities work together 859 00:31:50,820 --> 00:31:55,620 so like troubleshooting and folio can 860 00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:57,539 involve a ton of disparate sources like 861 00:31:55,620 --> 00:32:00,419 jira and a Wiki page and a slack 862 00:31:57,539 --> 00:32:02,220 conversation in GitHub I cannot tell you 863 00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:03,899 how many times I've had to hunt down the 864 00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:08,760 answer for something that seems obvious 865 00:32:03,899 --> 00:32:09,480 in like a thread on slack that's 10 Deep 866 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,580 um 867 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,559 it's taken me a year to have a reliable 868 00:32:11,580 --> 00:32:15,539 search strategy that allows me to find 869 00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:18,419 out if a behavior I'm seeing is a known 870 00:32:15,539 --> 00:32:20,640 bug or if it's just how folio Works 871 00:32:18,419 --> 00:32:22,919 um or whatever you know 872 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,820 that is really really hard for libraries 873 00:32:22,919 --> 00:32:25,559 and I feel like it makes them 874 00:32:23,820 --> 00:32:27,000 artificially dependent on the people who 875 00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:28,740 actually know how to do that research 876 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,419 like me 877 00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:32,279 so I don't have a Magic Bullet solution 878 00:32:30,419 --> 00:32:33,840 to these problems and most of them are 879 00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:35,700 way outside my domain but I do have a 880 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,720 couple of suggestions the first is that 881 00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:37,980 I would recommend that Library 882 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,200 management have a really Frank 883 00:32:37,980 --> 00:32:41,640 conversation about how exactly they are 884 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,740 going to allocate Library staff to 885 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,779 handfolio not just the implementation 886 00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:48,000 but all of the things that go along with 887 00:32:45,779 --> 00:32:49,620 it the most insightful thing I've ever 888 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,200 been told about library Mission planning 889 00:32:49,620 --> 00:32:54,000 is is show me your budget and I'll show 890 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,520 you your values 891 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,960 right second I would recommend that all 892 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,580 Library staff get at least a crash 893 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,380 course in what open source is going to 894 00:32:59,580 --> 00:33:03,360 mean to them and why the institution has 895 00:33:01,380 --> 00:33:06,240 made this choice and when I say all 896 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,039 staff again I mean all the staff right 897 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,380 open source is sometimes a financial 898 00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:12,120 choice but it's often more of a values 899 00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:14,039 choice and that means those who will be 900 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,659 asked to make sacrifices have to 901 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:17,779 understand and buy into that mission for 902 00:33:15,659 --> 00:33:20,279 the project to be successful 903 00:33:17,779 --> 00:33:21,539 and then third no matter who you are no 904 00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:23,399 matter what you're doing no matter how 905 00:33:21,539 --> 00:33:24,960 small it is or what your role is please 906 00:33:23,399 --> 00:33:26,700 if you learn how to do something and 907 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:30,200 it's not written down just write it down 908 00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:30,200 and put it somewhere I can find it 909 00:33:31,260 --> 00:33:34,980 so obviously folio is very interesting 910 00:33:33,419 --> 00:33:37,080 for developers and for people who are 911 00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:39,000 interested in open source generally and 912 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,559 for cool Librarians to do cool coding 913 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,220 projects 914 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:44,279 um 915 00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:46,440 but I wanted to speak very briefly about 916 00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:50,039 why open source matters for librarians 917 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,960 who don't code right 918 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:54,240 so my boss wrote a really good article 919 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,860 about the real value of Open Source and 920 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,840 one of the things that he said was that 921 00:33:55,860 --> 00:34:00,539 the most Insidious rhetorical trap laid 922 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,880 by open naysayers is the notion that the 923 00:34:00,539 --> 00:34:04,500 sole benefit of Open Source software is 924 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,380 that anyone can download the source code 925 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:08,879 and look at it and change it 926 00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:10,560 he goes on to say that the most 927 00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:12,179 important feature of Open Source 928 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,339 software is that it facilitates a 929 00:34:12,179 --> 00:34:16,679 conversation between software creators 930 00:34:14,339 --> 00:34:19,760 and users that is impossible to realize 931 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,760 in any other model 932 00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:25,139 when I think about why folio being open 933 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,720 matters to me I think of this word which 934 00:34:25,139 --> 00:34:29,280 is epistemicide it's a term that's been 935 00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:31,500 used for some time in discussions of 936 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,179 colonialism but I encounter this word in 937 00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:34,200 a lecture in library school by Beth 938 00:34:33,179 --> 00:34:36,119 Patton 939 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,800 a really basic explanation of 940 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:40,320 epistemicide is that it's the killing 941 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,119 silencing Annihilation or devaluing of a 942 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,099 way of knowing 943 00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:46,200 we've talked about how folio is where 944 00:34:44,099 --> 00:34:48,480 all the work happens and how folio 945 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,419 emerges from the folio Community folio 946 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:54,359 is in a sense an expression of our ways 947 00:34:51,419 --> 00:34:56,040 of knowing in code it's how we speak 948 00:34:54,359 --> 00:34:57,599 what we're doing when we're doing 949 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,880 Library work 950 00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:02,280 the fact that folio was built from our 951 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:05,700 knowledge up from our library needs up 952 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,260 by us really matters even if the end 953 00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:09,960 product isn't radically different today 954 00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:12,000 from other Library systems the fact that 955 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,440 folio can be extended to accommodate new 956 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,079 ways of knowing 957 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,660 and allow the coexistence of different 958 00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:21,000 ways of knowing also matters we need 959 00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:22,859 these structures in place so that we can 960 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,839 make space for the knowing of future 961 00:35:22,859 --> 00:35:25,800 generations and all the diverse voices 962 00:35:24,839 --> 00:35:27,359 to come 963 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,339 that is not something that we should 964 00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:30,960 seed to any corporation that is 965 00:35:29,339 --> 00:35:34,079 something that by definition we need to 966 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,820 co-own and protect in an open system 967 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:38,160 and that is why I think Librarians 968 00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:39,839 should care about open source 969 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,320 because whether folio is good or bad 970 00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:45,599 whether it's effective or not it is ours 971 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,700 and it is us we're the ones making these 972 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:50,160 things happen all the problems and all 973 00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:51,599 the successes those are also us all the 974 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,980 people who've worked on folio before us 975 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:55,560 all the people who will in the future 976 00:35:52,980 --> 00:35:57,300 they're part of folio as well and every 977 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,400 day no matter how many frustrations I 978 00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:01,680 have with folio I'm excited to be a part 979 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,760 of the folio project no matter which 980 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,460 side of the mirror we're looking at 981 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,920 folio from everyone in folio understands 982 00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:10,200 we are the project because the project 983 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,920 is open 984 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,920 thank you 985 00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:24,720 thank you Tara that was great we've got 986 00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:26,040 uh four minutes four or five minutes 987 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:28,940 left for questions are there any 988 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,940 questions yep 989 00:36:31,140 --> 00:36:35,880 uh gonna try and keep this short a whole 990 00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:39,599 lot of context cut out um but basically 991 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:43,079 so I am studying Library science myself 992 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:45,839 um and I am basically 993 00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:47,640 um trying to catalog my entire 994 00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:51,240 collection of books 995 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:54,480 um at home and one of the open source 996 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:56,400 Library softwares that I found was folio 997 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,260 um and when I when I had a look at the 998 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,000 documentation to try and like see if I 999 00:36:58,260 --> 00:37:01,920 could get it running I found that I 1000 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,660 didn't have the technical know-how to 1001 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,859 actually do that and so I had to switch 1002 00:37:03,660 --> 00:37:06,359 to 1003 00:37:04,859 --> 00:37:07,859 um another system which had more 1004 00:37:06,359 --> 00:37:09,839 documentation 1005 00:37:07,859 --> 00:37:11,760 um but I'm still kind of keen about 1006 00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:14,040 foliers so 1007 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,079 um what I suppose would be the best way 1008 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:22,339 to get started as a team of essentially 1009 00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:22,339 one for a single tiny Library oh gosh 1010 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,300 so I I think that one thing that's 1011 00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:30,240 really interesting about folio is that 1012 00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:33,180 it's possible to host folio by yourself 1013 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:36,359 it is it is possible 1014 00:37:33,180 --> 00:37:38,040 um but most people find that it's not 1015 00:37:36,359 --> 00:37:39,839 viable because of the skills that are 1016 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,940 needed right 1017 00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:44,520 um so I'm a I'm a pretty like for 1018 00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:46,680 Library people I'm pretty technical 1019 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,119 not compared to the people who host 1020 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,040 folio 1021 00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:51,359 um so yeah I mean if it's something 1022 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,740 that's interesting to you I would start 1023 00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:53,760 by building the groundwork and the 1024 00:37:52,740 --> 00:37:55,020 skills that you would need to actually 1025 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,060 do that and that's not going to start 1026 00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:58,740 with folio if you're curious about that 1027 00:37:57,060 --> 00:38:00,920 send me an email and I will tell you 1028 00:37:58,740 --> 00:38:00,920 more 1029 00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:09,619 [Music] 1030 00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:17,660 thank you for that question 1031 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,660 sure Alden bring it over 1032 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,660 I was just suggesting that perhaps 1033 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,940 putting a it's just sitting putting a an 1034 00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:29,040 issue in on the folio project page or 1035 00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:31,440 whatever it's done to basically ask if 1036 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,700 they'd be willing to create a Docker 1037 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,440 image for you so you can simply just go 1038 00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:37,200 dock a run on your operating system of 1039 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,540 choice which I have is Linux 1040 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,040 cool idea yeah if you want to know a 1041 00:38:39,540 --> 00:38:43,079 really funny story so when I first 1042 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,880 started at index data I didn't 1043 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,200 understand that snapshot existed and I 1044 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,359 was like totally Gunk how I was like I'm 1045 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,880 gonna do everything myself and so I 1046 00:38:48,359 --> 00:38:53,099 managed to get I managed to follow the 1047 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,960 documentation enough to bring folio up 1048 00:38:53,099 --> 00:38:57,240 on my laptop 1049 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,220 um doing things I didn't understand and 1050 00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:01,079 then I told the devops people this and 1051 00:38:59,220 --> 00:39:03,240 they laughed at me because I was like I 1052 00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:05,040 was like I don't know the vagrant was a 1053 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:06,320 word I used I don't know 1054 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,880 um 1055 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,960 like like how did you have enough memory 1056 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,599 on your computer to do that I was like 1057 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,339 what's memory 1058 00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:16,140 so yeah I mean I would I would 1059 00:39:14,339 --> 00:39:19,560 definitely start maybe a little better 1060 00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:23,900 than I did out of pure spite 1061 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,900 so uh we have time for one yep 1062 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,339 um just just like clarification question 1063 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:31,859 like most libraries let people you know 1064 00:39:29,339 --> 00:39:34,680 the users in the sense of borrowers do 1065 00:39:31,859 --> 00:39:36,960 things like look up books maybe check 1066 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,000 them out and stuff like that does that 1067 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,520 you know maybe throw a kiosk or an 1068 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,859 online interface is that stuff Link in 1069 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,839 with folio as well yeah so are you 1070 00:39:43,859 --> 00:39:48,780 talking about sort of a folio like a 1071 00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:50,339 discovery layer for users so folio works 1072 00:39:48,780 --> 00:39:52,440 with multiple Discovery layers the one 1073 00:39:50,339 --> 00:39:54,300 that I'm most familiar with is viewfind 1074 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,520 it's the one I like 1075 00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:57,960 um but yeah so so it's sort of like a 1076 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,480 separate system so this is like your 1077 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,220 staff people and then folio users 1078 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,480 um or sorry your patrons get to see a 1079 00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:08,000 beautiful 1080 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,000 um amazing you know browsing experience 1081 00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:12,590 all right we're out of time thank you 1082 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:16,909 very much Tara 1083 00:40:12,590 --> 00:40:16,909 [Applause]