1 00:00:01,150 --> 00:00:06,230 [Music] 2 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:20,720 All right. Good morning, everybody. How 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,920 are we all feeling? Has everyone had 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:28,000 their coffee or preferred wake up juice 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:29,359 of choice? Woo! All right. It's so so 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,840 lovely to be here. I've been wanting to 7 00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:33,280 come to PYON for a long, long time. I've 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,800 heard so many good things about this 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,559 conference. So, it's so great to finally 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,920 be here. I'm sad I couldn't make it 11 00:00:36,559 --> 00:00:41,760 yesterday. I was at an 80th. It was the 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,000 rager you thought it would be. Uh, it 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,760 started at 2:00, finished at 7. Great. 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,760 All parties should start at 2 and finish 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:51,360 at 7:00. 16 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:54,320 Um, so yeah, uh, my name is Loren. Uh, 17 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,840 quick quick hands up. Who has heard 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,160 about digital accessibility or 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:02,000 accessibility in general before? 20 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,440 Woohoo. All right. Um, uh, quite a few 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,119 hands up. For those who haven't heard of 22 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:08,479 digital accessibility or accessibility 23 00:01:05,119 --> 00:01:11,439 before, it is the, uh, the the field or 24 00:01:08,479 --> 00:01:15,360 discipline of think of a shopping mall, 25 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:17,280 uh, and and the, uh, knowledge or theory 26 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,200 to make that particular building 27 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,200 compliant or usable by people with 28 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,560 disabilities in particular. Um, it does 29 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,000 get confused a little bit with 30 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,520 accessibility of like being able to 31 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,680 access something like the internet or 32 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,520 being able to log in. Uh but when I talk 33 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,759 about digital accessibility, it's about 34 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,840 how do we make apps in the web more 35 00:01:31,759 --> 00:01:35,920 usable for people with various needs and 36 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,320 disabilities. 37 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,560 Uh I've been doing accessibility for uh 38 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:42,799 about 10 years formally now. Uh but 39 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,560 unofficially I was doing accessibility a 40 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:46,720 little while before that. I'm currently 41 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,040 at a company called Canva uh which is a 42 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:51,200 visual design application. Uh my slides 43 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,840 are in Canva at the moment. Um I'm the 44 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,960 team lead for accessibility and uh 45 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,159 you're probably all wondering how 46 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,680 accessible Canva is. Uh it's actually um 47 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:01,280 a huge amount of progress have been made 48 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,520 in the last five years that the 49 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,960 accessibility team has been probably six 50 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,040 years now that the accessibility team 51 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,759 has uh been around which is before my 52 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,520 time. Um and uh there's some interesting 53 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:13,440 challenges left but the the great thing 54 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,000 is that uh leadership is absolutely 55 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,760 committed to making uh Canva the most 56 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,080 inclusive application design application 57 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,080 ever built. 58 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:27,599 Uh so a bit of a content warning uh if 59 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:30,000 you haven't read the uh my abstract um 60 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:31,440 it is I um I'm I'm doing a bit of a 61 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,959 different talk today and I'll be talking 62 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,879 a lot about disability and personal 63 00:02:32,959 --> 00:02:36,720 experiences. I think it's very important 64 00:02:34,879 --> 00:02:39,440 not to downplay the impact of 65 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,879 discrimination and exclusion. So I do 66 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,360 want to mention that uh there will be 67 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:46,080 there'll be brief mentions of abbleism, 68 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,440 depression, shame, mental health issues 69 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,200 uh throughout the presentation. and I 70 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,959 won't dwell too much on them, but please 71 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:54,480 uh do keep that in mind. Um I'm a bit 72 00:02:50,959 --> 00:02:56,480 swary as well. I hope that's okay. 73 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,920 Uh so I won't dwell on things too much, 74 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:04,080 but if you do need to take care of 75 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:05,519 yourself, please do. Um so yeah, 76 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,920 so as I mentioned, bit of a different 77 00:03:05,519 --> 00:03:11,519 presentation to uh to what I usually do. 78 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:13,519 I like to kind of do a very practical uh 79 00:03:11,519 --> 00:03:15,920 presentation with tips and tricks on how 80 00:03:13,519 --> 00:03:17,840 to make your software more accessible. 81 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:20,879 Today I'm going to tell a personal story 82 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:23,120 about my dad um and me. Here's a picture 83 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:25,680 of him having his cuper. I've I've uh 84 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,040 just put an emoji over his face because 85 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:31,040 uh I don't want his real face on the 86 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:33,360 internet. Um but uh yeah, I I'm really 87 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,760 excited to share this story with you. 88 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:38,799 But before we dive in, now I did hear 89 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:42,879 the internet was a little bit spotty. Um 90 00:03:38,799 --> 00:03:46,560 I have a uh bit of a quiz or survey for 91 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:48,239 you all. if you could please join in and 92 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,599 um let me know if there are any issues 93 00:03:48,239 --> 00:03:52,080 with the with the quiz. Hopefully, it's 94 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:53,920 set up. Uh there's a QR code that's on 95 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,080 the screen, but otherwise you can join 96 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,799 at slido.com. 97 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,959 So, what I want to find out is what 98 00:03:58,799 --> 00:04:03,959 functions do you usually use on a 99 00:04:00,959 --> 00:04:03,959 microwave? 100 00:04:04,959 --> 00:04:08,640 And if you use the defrost function, I 101 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,640 do want to talk to you today cuz I need 102 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,159 to learn how do you defrost chicken 103 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,000 without cooking it on the outside and 104 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:15,439 having it still frozen on the inside. I 105 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,400 have no idea. I've still not worked it 106 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:21,440 out. Um, while you're filling that in, 107 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:25,919 so answer as many times as you want. Um, 108 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:28,479 uh, fun fact, in 1945, the microwave was 109 00:04:25,919 --> 00:04:33,520 invented by an engineer named Percy 110 00:04:28,479 --> 00:04:35,280 Percy Spencer. And the way that uh he 111 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,000 found out that how to use microwave 112 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:40,240 technology was he's actually at work um 113 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,759 with a chocolate bar in his pocket and 114 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,080 he worked with a device called the 115 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:45,600 magnetron. Um I can't remember what it 116 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,960 was for exactly. I think it was to do 117 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,160 with military or something fun like 118 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,840 that. Um and uh he realized when he was 119 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,840 standing next to the magnetron when it 120 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:56,240 was turned on the chocolate bar in his 121 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:58,080 pocket would actually melt. Uh, I don't 122 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:01,520 know about the ONS policies at this 123 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:04,639 workplace, but um, and now we have the 124 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:07,840 microwave, which um, a lot of us use 125 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:12,240 today. How are we going on that on that 126 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:14,000 quiz? We thumbs up. Still answering. I 127 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,600 won't be revealing the results now. I'll 128 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,199 reveal them a little bit later. Um, 129 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:21,680 you'll find out why. 130 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:25,199 All right. So, I grew up in a little 131 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:27,680 seaside town in Queensland. 132 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:29,199 And uh as quickly as I could, I left 133 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,960 that seaside town and went to university 134 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:33,120 in Brisbane. 135 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:36,000 Um but when I was in university, I would 136 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,840 visit my parents every single holidays. 137 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,759 And uh every other holiday, my mom would 138 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:43,840 take an opportunity to go and visit her 139 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:45,919 parents in in in Taiwan. Um and dad and 140 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:47,680 I didn't get to go with her. And the 141 00:05:45,919 --> 00:05:50,560 reason for this is because mom's very 142 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,479 traditionally Chinese. And uh it's 143 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,880 actually uh quite shameful to bring home 144 00:05:52,479 --> 00:05:56,720 a husband who has uh a disability or 145 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,160 multiple disabilities. 146 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,600 Um or maybe that's just what she tells 147 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:03,880 me cuz she's more ashamed that I didn't 148 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,880 become a doctor. Um 149 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:09,840 so there's a very uncomfortable truth 150 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:11,680 about this in in terms of uh in western 151 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:13,520 societies I think we we've made quite a 152 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,800 bit of progress in terms of stigma and 153 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:19,919 normalizing disability and and uh 154 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:22,639 talking about it. Um in other cultures 155 00:06:19,919 --> 00:06:24,560 though there uh is less or maybe 156 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:27,199 different types of progress in terms of 157 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:29,039 disability and in Chinese culture at 158 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:31,759 least with my mom's family in particular 159 00:06:29,039 --> 00:06:34,560 there is a lot around uh saving face and 160 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:38,479 avoiding shame and and um those are very 161 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:40,720 very important things uh to her family. 162 00:06:38,479 --> 00:06:43,039 Uh this didn't mean that mom treated dad 163 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:46,800 badly completely the opposite. um she 164 00:06:43,039 --> 00:06:49,199 she looked after him very very well and 165 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,639 uh the reason why she didn't bring dad 166 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:53,520 home was to protect her own mental 167 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:55,199 health 168 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,479 and I wanted to share this because I 169 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:58,080 wanted to to call out that 170 00:06:56,479 --> 00:07:00,240 discrimination as we know is not 171 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,000 one-dimensional uh it's very nuanced and 172 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,919 and that's why understanding 173 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,240 intersectionality is is very very 174 00:07:03,919 --> 00:07:07,680 important when talking about uh 175 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,680 exclusion and discrimination and 176 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,680 privilege as well for those who haven't 177 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:15,759 heard about inter intersectionality it's 178 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:18,880 the concept cept of uh multiple uh 179 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:21,919 factors about a person, gender, age, uh 180 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:24,639 disability, uh political views that 181 00:07:21,919 --> 00:07:26,160 combound to to form uh compounding 182 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:27,840 effects of either privilege or 183 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,360 discrimination. 184 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,759 And this was coined by someone called 185 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,759 Kimberly Krenshaw. 186 00:07:33,199 --> 00:07:38,000 So before 187 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:40,319 dad turned 80, he uh was able to live 188 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,759 alone just fine, totally independent. 189 00:07:40,319 --> 00:07:43,120 Um, but mom would worry if I wasn't 190 00:07:41,759 --> 00:07:45,280 there. So, every time she went to 191 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:48,000 Taiwan, she would want me to come home. 192 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:50,560 Um, and so, uh, on one of these uni 193 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,800 holidays that I was home with dad, uh, 194 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:55,919 we and and of course I enjoyed dad's 195 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:58,400 company and and and stuff as well. Um, 196 00:07:55,919 --> 00:08:02,560 he particularly enjoys the tech support. 197 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:04,479 Um, and one holidays I broke our 198 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,560 microwave. 199 00:08:04,479 --> 00:08:08,560 Yes. 200 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,319 Uh it wasn't the end of the world, but 201 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:13,520 it was a little bit of a bigger problem 202 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:16,319 than you might think. 203 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:19,039 So in his 50s, dad started to lose his 204 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:20,960 vision. So around when I was born, he 205 00:08:19,039 --> 00:08:24,639 has a genetic eye condition called 206 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,919 retinitis pigmentotosa, RP for short. 207 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:28,000 And there are there are lots of 208 00:08:25,919 --> 00:08:31,199 different types of vision loss. RP is a 209 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,279 particular one uh where you develop a 210 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:35,120 sort of a tunnel vision. So, uh it's 211 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:37,440 like looking through a black paper tube 212 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,120 where the uh the end of the tube gets 213 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,839 smaller and smaller and smaller over the 214 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,279 years and the uh v the vision at the end 215 00:08:41,839 --> 00:08:45,360 of the tube gets progressively more 216 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:48,080 blurry. 217 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:52,480 And eventually uh the person with RP 218 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:54,240 likely not able to see anything at all. 219 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,720 And when I was a kid, there was quite a 220 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,720 few years that dad and I uh would play 221 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,160 board games. We'd play chess, Chinese 222 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,839 checkers, though I think that's probably 223 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,959 called something different now. Um, 224 00:09:01,839 --> 00:09:07,440 Monopoly was the favorite. Um, we never 225 00:09:04,959 --> 00:09:09,360 made it on to D and D or Magic the 226 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,040 Gathering or any of those cool cool 227 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,839 games that um, I'm sure a lot of us 228 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:16,880 play. Um, 229 00:09:13,839 --> 00:09:18,480 but I don't remember the exact time or 230 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,120 the exact moment when dad and I played 231 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:23,040 our last board game. 232 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,680 And but I think it's somewhere around 233 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:28,320 the uh when he was in his 60s when he 234 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:29,839 went into a bit of a deep depression and 235 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,640 that's when the last of his visions 236 00:09:29,839 --> 00:09:34,240 started to go. I remember he spent a lot 237 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,360 of time in his room. Mom spent a lot of 238 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:39,200 time overseas. Um I was left uh at home 239 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:42,080 to to take care of the house and and um 240 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,839 hang out with dad. Um, I was a bit of a 241 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,519 shitty teenager. Uh, so one of the 242 00:09:43,839 --> 00:09:48,160 benefits of having a blind and and 243 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:49,680 pretty deaf dad was, uh, I was able to 244 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:53,600 hold a party at my house after he went 245 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:57,120 to bed and he didn't know 246 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:59,519 in grade 12. Um, probably should go to 247 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:02,470 therapy for that, but uh, thought I'd do 248 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:05,040 conference talks instead. 249 00:10:02,470 --> 00:10:07,200 [Laughter] 250 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,720 Um, so yeah, by the time I got to uni, 251 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,519 uh, dad was pretty much completely 252 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,519 blind. 253 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,640 Okay, 254 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:24,000 so back to the microwave story. 255 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:27,600 So when I was uh during the holidays, I 256 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:31,680 had I think it was about uh 200 257 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:34,160 7 8 9 10 sometime pre-COVID is just a 258 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:37,920 blur. Um I had a very millennial urge 259 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:40,480 one day to make jam. So I went on to 260 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,839 taste.com.au AU website for recipes and 261 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,839 I looked up the recipe for strawberry 262 00:10:41,839 --> 00:10:46,480 jam. Uh for those who don't know, it's 263 00:10:43,839 --> 00:10:49,760 strawberries, lemon juice, and way too 264 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:53,279 much sugar. Way too much. Took me a 265 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,959 while to want to eat jam again. Um and 266 00:10:53,279 --> 00:10:59,079 so I throw all those into a bowl and put 267 00:10:54,959 --> 00:10:59,079 it for 20 minutes into the microwave. 268 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:04,720 Our microwave was pretty ancient. Uh 269 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:06,560 it's a very ' 70s uh beige and black. 270 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,720 I've got it pictured on the screen. The 271 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:10,399 brand is national. uh that doesn't exist 272 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,040 anymore. I think they got bought out by 273 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:17,680 Panasonic. This is a super super simple 274 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:19,440 design. It has two knobs. At the top is 275 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:21,120 the minutes knob and at the bottom is 276 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,680 the power knob. I don't think we even 277 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,440 had a start button like the one pictured 278 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:29,600 here where you just turn the minutes 279 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:31,760 knob and it would start to count down. 280 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,320 So, I put in the bowl of strawberries, 281 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:37,600 turned the dial up to 20 minutes, and 282 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:40,320 the second dial to high, and uh and then 283 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:43,120 the microwave started to go. 284 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:45,839 It's cooking my jam. 285 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:48,000 And about 15 minutes in, I heard this 286 00:11:45,839 --> 00:11:51,120 pop 287 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:56,240 and then uh I heard the microwave power 288 00:11:51,120 --> 00:12:00,800 down and uh the inside light went off. 289 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:02,720 I had broken dad's beloved microwave. 290 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,120 But never fear, we had a Harvey Norman 291 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:07,120 in town. So, uh, next day we went to 292 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,680 Harvey Norman. Uh, for those who don't 293 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,600 know, Harvey Norman's a what is it? 294 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:14,079 Furniture, electronics, all those 295 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,240 things. Um, 296 00:12:14,079 --> 00:12:19,600 and, uh, I took dad to the microwave 297 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:22,240 aisle. We looked through the large range 298 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:24,560 of microwaves there. Um, and by looked, 299 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:28,880 I mean dad touched each one a whole lot. 300 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:30,399 Um, and uh, after he was looking for a 301 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,000 few minutes, he turned to me and he 302 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:35,200 went, 303 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:39,360 "Is there any microwaves with buttons or 304 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:42,880 knobs or dials?" Um, every single 305 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:45,680 microwave in Harvey Norman at that time 306 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,839 had a totally flat touch panel and an 307 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:49,600 LCD screen. 308 00:12:47,839 --> 00:12:51,839 And if and there were a few ones there 309 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:54,320 that did have rotating dials, but they 310 00:12:51,839 --> 00:12:56,160 were the digital ones which turn forever 311 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,240 and you have to be able to see the LCD 312 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:01,240 screen to know what you were actually 313 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,240 turning. 314 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:08,320 Now, this wasn't some early kind of 315 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:11,040 naughties trend, early 2000s trend. Uh 316 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,720 the touch panel actually came out pretty 317 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:16,880 soon after dad bought his initial 318 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:19,040 microwave uh in the 70s and 80s. 319 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:23,920 And um this was invented I think by 320 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:27,760 Panasonic as well. Um so why have this 321 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:31,279 LCD and touch panel combo? Uh a few 322 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:33,279 things firstly less moving parts. Uh 323 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:36,160 which is easy to clean and less things 324 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:39,360 can break. Uh cheap to manufacture at 325 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:42,320 scale and easily programmable so you can 326 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:44,399 add more features to it every year and 327 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:47,360 uh sell it sell a new model and and make 328 00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:53,160 more money. Um, but who doesn't want 329 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:53,160 these new fancy functions like uh potato 330 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:57,800 or oriental? 331 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:04,560 Um, 332 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:06,079 yes. So, and this is where the survey 333 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:09,120 comes in because I'm really excited to 334 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:10,720 see who uses potato cuz there's some of 335 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,279 you out there. I know. I know. I've done 336 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:19,120 this before. All right. So, I'm going to 337 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:22,880 quickly do a bit of a hopefully not too 338 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:25,440 arduous uh screen change. 339 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,800 So, thank you so much everyone for 340 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,519 participating. How many have we got? 341 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,120 We've got 110. Amazing. Seems like some 342 00:14:29,519 --> 00:14:34,240 live stream folks joined in as well. So, 343 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:36,240 thank you. Um so, 97% of you pressed 344 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,959 start, 345 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:43,399 which is great. Good sign. 88% of you 346 00:14:38,959 --> 00:14:43,399 pressed open door. So, 347 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:53,600 Uh 12% of you have pretty stinky 348 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:55,839 kitchens right now. Um 73 use stop. Um 349 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:59,760 I'm just going to scroll a little bit. 350 00:14:55,839 --> 00:15:03,199 Uh 55% timer and one to nine buttons on 351 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:07,040 the keypad. 52% 1 minute. 352 00:15:03,199 --> 00:15:09,920 47% 10-second button. 35% mess with the 353 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:13,279 power. Um 354 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:18,240 you magical people. Um, Defrost, you are 355 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:20,320 the you are the real real MVPs here. Um, 356 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,560 uh, I look forward to coming chatting to 357 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:26,560 20 of you after this. And then 15% 358 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:28,079 other, 14% reheat meal. 359 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,199 Why are the numbers going down? Oh, more 360 00:15:28,079 --> 00:15:35,040 people are voting. Okay. 361 00:15:31,199 --> 00:15:37,120 Um, 12% people use the weight function. 362 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:41,560 11% people put on stuff for 10 minutes. 363 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,560 6% potatoes. Yes. 364 00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:47,440 Um, is it jacket potatoes? Anyone? 365 00:15:45,839 --> 00:15:49,839 Anyone willing to share? Who's the 366 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:53,680 potato people? Yep. Two, two, three, 367 00:15:49,839 --> 00:15:56,959 four. Four hands up. Thank you. Um, 368 00:15:53,680 --> 00:16:01,199 okay. Turbo defrost pasta. 369 00:15:56,959 --> 00:16:05,519 Um, reheat bread, melt and soften, 370 00:16:01,199 --> 00:16:08,320 2% rice, blasphemy, 371 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:10,480 and 1% desserts. 372 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,079 Um, I did see some some panels with the 373 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:15,199 dessert function which I'm very curious 374 00:16:12,079 --> 00:16:18,079 about. Um, I guess that's like cakes and 375 00:16:15,199 --> 00:16:19,680 stuff maybe. I don't know. Um, but thank 376 00:16:18,079 --> 00:16:23,199 you. Thank you so much for participating 377 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:25,040 in Sorry. No, thank you very much for 378 00:16:23,199 --> 00:16:27,519 participating in my totally just out of 379 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,600 curio curiosity selfish uh selfish 380 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:32,480 little quiz there. So, um, I hope that 381 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,759 was fun. Um, and I hope you found out 382 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,800 more about how other people use 383 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:38,079 microwaves because I think that's 384 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:40,560 something we don't talk about enough. 385 00:16:38,079 --> 00:16:43,759 Okay, so back to Harvey Norman. So, 386 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,680 dad's pretty uh Dad is pretty picky with 387 00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:47,440 his appliances. He was an electrical 388 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,759 engineer before he did a career change 389 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:53,519 in his in his final years of work and he 390 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:55,040 he decided to become a DJ. Um his 391 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:56,800 favorite catchphrase, I'm sure a lot of 392 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,160 your folks or people you know might say 393 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,519 this is they they don't make anything 394 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:03,040 like they used to. Um, and so he asked 395 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:05,039 the store person what what the best 396 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,559 microwave was in in Harvey Norman at the 397 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:08,720 time and we bought that one and we went 398 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:11,120 home. 399 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,039 But being completely blind, uh, how 400 00:17:11,120 --> 00:17:17,559 could he possibly use this touch touch 401 00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:17,559 panel microwave? Any guesses? 402 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:23,520 Oh, nice. 403 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:25,679 Got some people saying lumps. Um, yes. 404 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:28,000 Uh so something that a lot of blind or 405 00:17:25,679 --> 00:17:29,919 low vision folks have at home is an 406 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:33,280 assortment and and many sets of what are 407 00:17:29,919 --> 00:17:36,480 called bump dots or tactile stickers. 408 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:38,880 Uh we have them all around the house 409 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,720 um like on his keyboard or on his uh 410 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,960 computer monitor, his fax machine, which 411 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,720 he still used because um he could 412 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,320 operate it and he put it on speaker 413 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,559 phone because if he held the phone up to 414 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,400 his ear his hearing aids would squeal. 415 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:52,720 Um, 416 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,480 and uh, so I've got a couple photos of 417 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,919 those just so you can uh, see what it 418 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,080 looks like if you can see the screen. 419 00:17:55,919 --> 00:18:00,880 Uh, we've got the monitor there um, with 420 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:04,240 a touch panel. Uh, monitors during like 421 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:08,559 that time of like late 2010s was super 422 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:10,080 like flat touch. Um, uh, no buttons to 423 00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:14,559 speak of, no physical buttons to speak 424 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:16,559 of. Uh, and um, so many functions. 425 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:18,480 There's like eight dots on that monitor. 426 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:20,000 I don't know what. Um anyway, he just 427 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,320 needed the the very right one, which was 428 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,559 the power button um when he could see 429 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:28,160 the monitor. And I've also got a picture 430 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:30,480 of uh his keyboard. Uh he had a very 431 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,559 specific setup. It didn't uh it was 432 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,640 important not just to have dots on the 433 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:36,080 keys, but where on the key the dots were 434 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:40,080 like north, south, east, west, 435 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:42,320 northeast. Um and he had two two dots on 436 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:45,840 his enter key just to be able to orient 437 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:48,080 himself. Um a big mechanical keyboard 438 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,760 fan. Cherry red. if you're interested. 439 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,559 Um, 440 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:55,120 uh, he went through multiple in a year. 441 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:57,440 Um, 442 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:59,840 so when we got home, I described the 443 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,440 microwave touchpad to him and the way 444 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,160 that I did it was I would hold his hand 445 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,520 and his finger and kind of uh move it 446 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,960 around the touch panel and explain to 447 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,960 him what each function was. He was like, 448 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,679 "Why the heck do we need this function?" 449 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:14,160 Um, and after going through all the 450 00:19:11,679 --> 00:19:17,120 different functions on the touch panel, 451 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:19,840 he asked me to stick bumps on the reheat 452 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:21,440 meal, the start and the stop buttons. 453 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,200 Um, and then he could use it with no 454 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,679 problems after that. Um, if you can see 455 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,440 the screen, uh, you can probably see a 456 00:19:25,679 --> 00:19:29,200 bit of wear and tear in that we refuse 457 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:32,000 to take the plastic covers off anything. 458 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:34,000 So, 459 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,799 uh, you can see a bit of, uh, wear on 460 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,919 the, uh, one minute button. Um, we 461 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:39,440 didn't need to put a bump sticker on 462 00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:40,799 that because he knew that the re that 463 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:44,000 the one minute button is next to the 464 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:46,000 reheat button. Um, so he would feel for 465 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,679 the reheat button and then uh if he 466 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,880 needed one minute he'll he'll he'll hit 467 00:19:47,679 --> 00:19:53,440 that he'll hit that one. 468 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:56,080 It was very obvious that the in the 469 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,440 invention of the LCD uh in the invention 470 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,840 of the touch panel that the blind and 471 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,960 low vision community probably uh weren't 472 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:04,559 thought of during during this time. Um, 473 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,120 whilst it wasn't the hardest thing to 474 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:10,000 work around for dad, it's just one 475 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:12,320 example of exclusion. Heating up food is 476 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:15,440 a pretty important part of daily life. 477 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:17,520 And uh, but no one in the team who were 478 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:20,320 in the microwave team in Panasonic at 479 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,799 that time went, "Oh, 480 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:27,039 should we uh how do we how do we make 481 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:29,039 sure that everybody can can use this?" 482 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:31,679 And if they had just thought to speak to 483 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:33,200 literally one blind person, imagine how 484 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:36,480 different the world of appliances would 485 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:40,000 be. Uh these examples are everywhere in 486 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:41,360 modern appliances. Um dad, so I've got a 487 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,320 picture of a washing machine and then 488 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:47,360 two kind of touch or two completely flat 489 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,640 stove tops underneath. Um dad didn't 490 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:51,039 bother with the washing machine cuz it 491 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:53,440 was the one mom liked. Um it was too 492 00:20:51,039 --> 00:20:55,840 hard for him to use even with bump dots. 493 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,520 uh you had to like press like five 494 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,640 different buttons in a very certain 495 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,480 order to to pick the right setting or 496 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:06,400 the right the right wash cycle you 497 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:09,520 wanted. And um once we stayed in an 498 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:13,280 Airbnb um dad every morning cooks his 499 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:15,280 porridge on the stove um and that has 500 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,200 you know the usual knobs um that that 501 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,640 you find on a gas stove. uh once we 502 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,960 stayed at an Airbnb and he couldn't cook 503 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,760 his own breakfast because the MB&B it 504 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:26,960 had all these fancy new completely flat 505 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:31,520 completely flush um electric or 506 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:33,039 induction stove tops. And um again 507 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,320 probably for the same reasons that these 508 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:35,760 are really really popular. They're easy 509 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:40,080 to clean because we're cooking food on 510 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:42,320 them. Um they're easy to manufacture uh 511 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,559 and oh it's not or cheap to manufacture 512 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,840 and and um you they're easily 513 00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:49,679 programmable so you can add more 514 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:52,080 functions to induction or electric stove 515 00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:53,760 tops because of course 516 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,640 you'd want to add more functions to it. 517 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,400 Um I I've got um I could not work out 518 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,400 how to use the buttons on the induction 519 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:03,200 stove top that we had at this Airbnb. I 520 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:06,159 had to look up the manual. Um it's it's 521 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,320 pretty wild. Um but uh not a single 522 00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:10,880 thought was given to maybe you know on 523 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,000 an electric stove top uh for a blind 524 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,720 person to be able to find the buttons 525 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,720 they would have to feel. 526 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,559 Yeah. Everyone just winced a little bit 527 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:22,159 just then. 528 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:25,840 Um and so as you know pretty dangerous. 529 00:22:22,159 --> 00:22:27,600 Um and again not one blind person with 530 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:32,360 during kind of the invention of this of 531 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:32,360 this um appliance. 532 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:37,200 And another thing is that uh even 533 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,600 disability tech companies get this wrong 534 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,880 sometimes. So on the screen I have a 535 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:44,720 picture of dad's hearing aids um and a 536 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,559 little device called a streamline box. 537 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:50,960 Uh he uses that to connect to his 538 00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:54,480 computer and um one of the instructions 539 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:56,320 on the uh in the in the manual was to 540 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,360 turn on the streamline mic by holding 541 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:03,520 down uh the MFB, whatever it is, until 542 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:03,520 the power indicator is green. 543 00:23:03,679 --> 00:23:09,520 This takes approximately 3 seconds. Um, 544 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:12,720 so yes, dad could totally see when the 545 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,400 when the light indicator was green. Um, 546 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,720 to be able to connect his streamline to 547 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,159 the computer. Um, that took both my 548 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,440 parents a very long time to work that 549 00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:20,960 out because I wasn't home when they got 550 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,799 this these news hearing aids because 551 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:26,559 mom's English wasn't very good, so she 552 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:28,400 couldn't read the manual. Um, 553 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:31,120 so also something that you may not know 554 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,440 is that disability is is rarely binary. 555 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:36,320 Um it's a spectrum and it's often co 556 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,760 something called comorbid which is uh 557 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,200 means that a person with a particular 558 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,039 disability often has multiple 559 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,520 disabilities or multiple conditions um 560 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:45,760 either related or unrelated. So dad was 561 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,600 not only blind, he was hard of hearing 562 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,559 um and it was related to his retinitis 563 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:52,480 pigmentotosa. People with RP also have a 564 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:55,520 higher chance of developing comorbid 565 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:58,480 depression or anxiety for example. Uh so 566 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:01,919 again uh disability is not a very simple 567 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,440 thing. There's a lot of nuance um and uh 568 00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:07,039 something to something to really think 569 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:08,480 about when talking about it. Um, so for 570 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:11,279 my dad and many others, these little 571 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,039 moments of exclusion or of feeling 572 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:15,360 unconsidered, they do add up. It's like 573 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:18,720 paper cuts. 574 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:20,559 And has anyone noticed just how much um 575 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:24,000 more confusing some appliances are to 576 00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:27,360 use these days? Yeah. 577 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,679 Uh, the evolution in over complicated 578 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:32,159 appliance UX um is actually a pretty 579 00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:34,320 good analogy for uh how websites and 580 00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:35,760 digital apps have evolved as well. Uh, I 581 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,080 don't know if uh you feel they're 582 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,720 they're pretty pretty complicated. Um, 583 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:43,279 and sadly you can't just use bump dots 584 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:47,400 or or sticky dots to make websites more 585 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:47,400 accessible. Um, 586 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,400 so we're going to switch gears a little 587 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:55,400 bit. Um, who enjoys a bit of internet 588 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,400 history? 589 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,880 That's great. All right, I won't feel 590 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,760 like I'm dragging you down into this 591 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,679 rabbit hole with me that I went on. Um, 592 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,279 so a lot of you have probably heard, you 593 00:25:03,679 --> 00:25:07,760 may not have this quote from Sir Tim 594 00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:10,159 Berners Lee, um, the guy who invented 595 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,400 the worldwide web. The power of the web, 596 00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:14,000 it's in its universality. 597 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,120 Access by everyone regardless of 598 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:21,679 disability is an essential aspect. 599 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:23,360 Um, so Tim said this during a keynote uh 600 00:25:21,679 --> 00:25:26,640 during the second international 601 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:29,440 worldwide web and Mosaic conference in 602 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:32,960 Chicago in October of 1994. Mosaic is a 603 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:35,440 old web browser. Uh so around almost 604 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,120 exactly 31 years ago. 605 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,679 And what you may not know is that he 606 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:42,640 only added this line in or this quote in 607 00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:44,480 that is now quoted everywhere. Um in 608 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,320 particular, I felt very called out when 609 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,679 I read a blog post about this this 610 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,720 particular quote because every 611 00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:54,400 accessibility talk uses this quote. I'm 612 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:56,080 like, "Oh, I'm I'm a cliche." Okay. Um, 613 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,600 so but what you may not know is that he 614 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,679 only added this quote to his keynote 615 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,000 after attending a pre-conference 616 00:25:59,679 --> 00:26:04,159 workshop run by a guy called Mike 617 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,919 Paciello. 618 00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:08,640 Uh, on the screen I've got a picture of 619 00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:11,520 Tim Berners Lee on the second to the 620 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,880 left and um, three other people to his 621 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,720 right who have no idea who they are but 622 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,159 they seem cool. And then on on Tim 623 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,520 Berners Lee left, I've overlaid a 624 00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:21,919 picture of Mike Pacello. 625 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,000 I was so intrigued by this little 626 00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:27,200 off-hand comment in the Wikipedia page 627 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,520 for web accessibility. Um, yes, I was on 628 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,640 there recently. I don't know why. Um, I 629 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,799 had to go digging and I still haven't 630 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:38,320 found evidence of the exact workshop 631 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:39,840 that uh was mentioned. 632 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,120 Um, for those who don't know Mike 633 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,840 Paciello, he's a little bit of a 634 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:46,480 godfather in digital accessibility. 635 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:50,799 Um, and when I find found myself reading 636 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:53,520 through discussion threads from 1994, 637 00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:56,320 um, the it's what was called, um, a 638 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,080 mailing list, uh, for those uh, who may 639 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,039 be a bit young, it's like Reddit but 640 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:03,279 without downloading. Um, 641 00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:06,640 I saw two threads in particular started 642 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:09,120 by Mike and those threads were titled, 643 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,360 sorry, I just got to Mosaic 94 644 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:14,960 accessibility is an issue is an issue in 645 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:18,080 all caps and www mosaic and access for 646 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,919 people with disabilities. 647 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,840 What is very cool is that in in these 648 00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:23,520 threads, these threads probably would 649 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:27,200 have been some of the first mentions of 650 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:29,360 digital accessibility um ever in in 651 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,200 online discussions. And on the screen, 652 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:33,360 I've got some more screenshots of a 653 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:38,320 particular message titled Mosaic 94, 654 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:41,200 accessibility is an issue. Um and uh so 655 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:43,360 Mosaic was released in 1993 uh as a 656 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,440 browser that uh was the first browser to 657 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:47,840 display images in line. before that they 658 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:52,000 were displayed in a separate window. Um, 659 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:53,919 very exciting. Uh, and what, uh, you 660 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,480 don't have to read it, it's very small. 661 00:27:53,919 --> 00:28:00,240 Um, but, uh, what this message thread 662 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:01,679 was was Mike Paciello going, um, I've 663 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,880 received this email from someone named 664 00:28:01,679 --> 00:28:08,080 TV Raman. I've got TV Raman pictured in 665 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:11,039 the top right corner, uh, with, uh, his 666 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:15,520 very gorgeous guide dog, Aster. Um, so 667 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:17,279 TV Roman sent Mike an email saying, 668 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:21,120 uh, given that there have been some 669 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:22,720 interest on issues of making HTML, 670 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:25,279 uh, 671 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,120 friendlier to applications producing 672 00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:29,039 output in alternative formats. Could we 673 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:32,480 pull together a meeting at the Mosaic 674 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:37,440 conference to address these questions? 675 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:39,360 Um, and Mike forwarded this email to the 676 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,120 to the thread and said, "At the moment, 677 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,000 I'm not funded nor financially in a 678 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:46,080 position to attend Mosaic 94. I'm 679 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,480 working on this. One way or another, I 680 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:52,640 plan to get there." 681 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:54,640 Um, another fun fact about TV Raman, uh, 682 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,399 he actually developed a screen reader 683 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,320 for technical papers and he named it 684 00:28:56,399 --> 00:29:00,080 after his guide dog, Aster, but he made 685 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,039 it stand for audio system for technical 686 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,039 readings. 687 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,760 um love backronyms. 688 00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:09,520 So, thank you for staying with me on 689 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,919 this journey. We're really deep. We're 690 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:14,640 really deep in the rabbit hole. Uh Mike 691 00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:16,960 soon went on to write uh the first book 692 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,600 on web accessibility and co-founded the 693 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:22,640 Worldwide Web Consortium or W3C uh web 694 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:25,520 accessibility initiative uh WAI or uh 695 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:29,120 W3C is what we call it. Um it almost got 696 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:32,799 named W3C WAP. I'm glad we avoided that. 697 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,559 um which later published uh the web 698 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:37,520 content accessibility guidelines first 699 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:39,919 version in 1999 and this has been the 700 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,440 global standard for accessibility uh for 701 00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:44,240 over 20 years. We're now up to version 702 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,080 2.2. Things move slowly. Three might be 703 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,480 here in the next 10 years. Um they're 704 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,240 working on it. Um so Mike started a 705 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,159 company that grew many of today's most 706 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,000 influential accessibility leaders around 707 00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:57,760 the globe. Uh this is still around is 708 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:59,440 called the Paceell Group or TPGI. Um and 709 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,520 uh he's also contributed to just about 710 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,000 every global legislation that involves 711 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,000 digital accessibility. Him and Tim 712 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,840 Berners Lee uh were also honored by 713 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,159 former US President Bill Clinton for 714 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:14,000 their um important work on making the 715 00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:17,039 web more inclusive to all. 716 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,240 So even though Tim and Mike uh as far as 717 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,240 I know didn't have a disability 718 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,039 themselves, they absolutely understood 719 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,399 that it needed to happen and made the 720 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:27,520 deliberate decision to make sure that 721 00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:29,760 people who uh did have lived experience 722 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,320 were thought of and included in um the 723 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:35,200 early days of the web from the very from 724 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,760 the very beginning and um it had a huge 725 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,919 impact in the very early web. Uh and 726 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:43,600 Windows XP had really really great uh 727 00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:46,320 accessibility built in. Um 728 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,919 and uh the early web accessibility 729 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,159 movement was started by many amazing 730 00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:51,600 people who are still doing important 731 00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:53,279 work every day and I wish I had the time 732 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,960 to dive into the origin story of all of 733 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:59,760 them because uh is is super interesting. 734 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,000 So uh final story about my dad. Uh since 735 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,960 he retired in n for this talk uh since 736 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,120 he retired in 1995 he goes on the 737 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,159 computer pretty much every day. He's 738 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,320 actually been working on the same 739 00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:11,840 project for over 20 years. He's trying 740 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,799 to create the world's most complete 741 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,559 archive of old songs um all the way back 742 00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:18,880 to the 1920s or even earlier. I think 743 00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:20,559 there's some from 1901. 744 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,279 He does this by scraping the internet 745 00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:25,679 and downloading MP3s and editing legally 746 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:28,320 and editing their metadata uh in an app 747 00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:30,799 called MP3 Tag Studio. On the screen, 748 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,120 I've included a screenshot of MP3 tag 749 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:35,840 studio uh and also hopefully very 750 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:39,240 nostalgic picture of the Windows XP 751 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,240 download dialogue. 752 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:45,039 And this is a video of dad in action. Uh 753 00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:47,760 right now he's copy pasting information 754 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:50,960 about artists and recording dates into a 755 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:53,279 song on MP3 Tag Studio. Uh it's a little 756 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,880 bit small. Um so apologies, you probably 757 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:56,720 can't see that very well. You can't hear 758 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,320 the sound unfortunately for this video, 759 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,320 but dad's using what's called a screen 760 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,760 reader, which is a a synthetic it's a 761 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,200 piece of software that reads out what's 762 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,559 happening on the screen in a synthetic 763 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,320 voice. So, it's reading out to him um 764 00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:11,760 currently which input box he's in and 765 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,200 what he's doing on the computer. Um and 766 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,200 his computer is actually in the room 767 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,440 below us. This is a video in our dining 768 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,840 room. Um, we're sitting upstairs and 769 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,519 he's using a Bluetooth keyboard and uh 770 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,039 the screen reader is streaming into his 771 00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:26,320 hearing aid which is why I couldn't 772 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,919 record the sound. Um, 773 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,840 so and he hasn't used a screen in maybe 774 00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:32,880 10 years. Um, except for when mom needs 775 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:35,600 to troubleshoot every now and again. 776 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,760 So despite my dad being techsavvy, he 777 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,159 still hits accessibility issues on nine 778 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,880 out of every 10 websites and desktop 779 00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:44,960 applications that he uses because we 780 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,960 don't live together all the time. Um, I 781 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,480 use a remote desktop app called Anyesk. 782 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,640 Uh, similar to Team Viewer, if you've 783 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,720 used that before, so I could jump onto 784 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,679 his computer whenever he needed and had 785 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,279 full access to his mouse and keyboard to 786 00:32:55,679 --> 00:33:00,000 help unblock him with whatever he was 787 00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:01,840 doing, mostly due to um a poorly built 788 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,320 website that didn't didn't consider 789 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,799 accessibility. 790 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,480 And sometime in 2020, I can't remember 791 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:09,760 exactly what happened. I think he was 792 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,000 really struggling with a music 793 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,080 discoraphy website 794 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,080 um that kept resetting his cursor up to 795 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:19,519 the top. Um something super common in 796 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,960 React websites. And uh each song took 797 00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:24,240 him nearly an hour to fill in the 798 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,760 metadata into MP3 tag studio. And he had 799 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,080 hundreds to do for this time period that 800 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,519 he was working on. Uh when when the 801 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,279 website had pretty good accessibility, 802 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:34,960 it would take him around 5 10 minutes if 803 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:36,559 that. Um, and when he finally called me 804 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,360 in the 20 years that he'd been using the 805 00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:41,600 web, I'd yet to witnessed him break down 806 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,440 the way that he did. And so when you're 807 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,159 faced with barriers just about every 808 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,559 day, uh, uh, in just about everything 809 00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:51,279 you try to do, uh, even if you can 810 00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:53,440 mostly work around them, it does add up. 811 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:55,200 Um, and it's especially shitty when you 812 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,679 have no other options. Uh, and this was 813 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,200 the only website he could use to, um, 814 00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:02,240 find the information he needed for that 815 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:06,559 time period. Um, so like any frustrated 816 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:09,440 millennial, I went on Twitter about it. 817 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:12,560 Hopefully there's loads. 818 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,240 So I tweeted, "Today, my dad cried over 819 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,079 the phone. He wanted one week where he 820 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:18,960 could use his computer without my help. 821 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:20,399 He's blind." Each inaccessible web page 822 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,879 tells him, "You aren't welcome in this 823 00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:25,040 world. If you don't know whether your 824 00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:27,679 website or app is accessible, it's not. 825 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:30,000 Start learning." And overnight, this 826 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:32,720 tweet uh really started to blow up. a 827 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,240 lot of um blind folks replying and 828 00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:35,839 sharing similar stories. A lot of people 829 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:38,320 asking, you know, what can I do? Where 830 00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:41,280 can I start? A few reply guys and girls 831 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,800 here and there. It's Twitter. Um and I 832 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,119 want to say like I'm not usually this 833 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,200 stern. Um in the accessibility 834 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,919 community, we we're not here to make 835 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,760 people feel bad about not knowing um 836 00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:54,639 about digital accessibility or how to do 837 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,159 it. Um uh we want to help, but every now 838 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,320 and again it does it does get a little 839 00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:00,480 bit frustrating. 840 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,240 So on the screen I have four of many 841 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,760 hundreds of replies and reposts of 842 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,520 people who shared their own stories of 843 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,560 feeling that they're not welcome in our 844 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,320 digital society. Um someone said yes 845 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,760 this as a legally blind person I 846 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,040 completely understand your dad. My heart 847 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,359 goes out to him and I totally agree with 848 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,880 you. Start learning. 849 00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:18,640 Someone else said if you're blind or 850 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,079 deaf in my case there's a whole lot of 851 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,640 things that are not accessible and we 852 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:24,400 have the tech but it's not used. So many 853 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,720 programs announcements adverts don't use 854 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,720 audio descriptions or subtitles. People 855 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:31,680 don't realize how bad it is until they 856 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:33,839 because they don't ever need it. Um, and 857 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,680 then, uh, my wife, a software developer 858 00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:38,079 who lost most of her vision in young 859 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,680 adulthood, adapted and navigated all the 860 00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:41,599 challenges she faces in real world and 861 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,880 in tech. But it hasn't been easy. Tech 862 00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:45,119 should be an empowering tool for the 863 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:48,119 visually impaired, but too often it's an 864 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:48,119 obstacle. 865 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:56,640 On the screen, I have my favorite quote. 866 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,839 I have so many quotes in my talk. On my 867 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,079 screen, I have my favorite quote about 868 00:35:57,839 --> 00:36:01,920 inclusive design. Uh, sorry, from a book 869 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:03,440 about inclusive design. For better or 870 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,079 for worse, the people who design the 871 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,599 touch points of society determine who 872 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:10,240 can participate and who's left out, 873 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:13,280 often unwittingly. Um, and this is in a 874 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:15,359 book called Mismatch by Cat Holmes. 875 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,200 Um, if design is the source of 876 00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:20,880 mismatches and exclusion, can it also be 877 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:23,520 the remedy? Yes, but it does take work. 878 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,280 To phrase this another way, we decide 879 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,040 who is welcome by the small choices that 880 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,560 we make um to consider who might be left 881 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,560 out. 882 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,359 Um and before I wrap up, I want to play 883 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,520 a video for you. It's a snippet of a 884 00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:40,560 video games review uh done by someone 885 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:42,720 called Ross Miner. Um he's a 886 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,040 multi-awward-winning gaming, media, and 887 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:46,880 technology accessibly consultant who's 888 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,800 also an avid Twitch streamer and 889 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:52,400 YouTuber. So, please do follow him on 890 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:54,640 YouTube. Um, and what I'm about to play 891 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,800 is a video of him doing a review of a 892 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,680 video game called Forza. Um, has anyone 893 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:02,400 heard of Forza? Yep. Uh, about about 894 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,839 half. It's a racing game and it's I 895 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,440 think the first racing game to be 896 00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:07,920 completely playable by uh blind gamers. 897 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,680 So, 898 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,560 the amazing thing about this is that 899 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,800 I've seen blind drivers who have much 900 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,800 less assist than I do. And so the fact 901 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:20,160 that they're able to get that good and 902 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:22,240 get down to that level is is just 903 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,760 awesome and it wouldn't have been done 904 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:26,640 if it weren't for these accessibility 905 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,320 features. So just so happy to see that. 906 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,240 So yeah, I'm going to show an example of 907 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,880 my driving when I first began playing 908 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:35,599 the game on Twitch and where my driving 909 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,000 is at now just to highlight how much 910 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:40,640 better I've gotten already. So here is 911 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,760 the video of me driving on Twitch. 912 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:46,400 I'm not paying attention. 913 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,760 Okay. Okay. As you can see, literally 914 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,599 all over the place. 915 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,920 But here is a video of me driving now. 916 00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:52,920 Let's go 1.0. 917 00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:06,480 Personal best elevator. Personal best. 918 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,960 So, as you can see, my driving has 919 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,320 already improved significantly. 920 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,320 I highly recommend watching that whole 921 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,440 review. is uh Ross goes through all the 922 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:18,880 accessibility features and how uh the 923 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:22,160 how they actually got uh worked out how 924 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:24,960 to help uh enable driving to be possible 925 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,200 by folks who can't see the screen. And 926 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,280 it's still playing. Sorry. Please. Next 927 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:33,200 slide. 928 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:35,040 Okay. So, we the builders 929 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,200 and designers of the web, we decide who 930 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,359 is welcome. 931 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,880 And we decide this in the small choices 932 00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:44,640 that we make every day. And by being 933 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,320 deliberate in who we include in small 934 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:50,240 ways, we can have a huge impact. 935 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,280 Um 936 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:54,880 and uh I wanted to share some resources 937 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,800 if this is something that is new for 938 00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:02,800 you. Uh the book Mismatch by Cat Holmes. 939 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:04,320 Uh really really amazing read um on 940 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,920 really shifted my mindset in terms of 941 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,839 inclusive design. Uh there's a Netflix 942 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,200 movie called Cry Camp, completely free 943 00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:13,040 on YouTube now. So you don't need a 944 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:17,280 Netflix Netflix subscription to watch 945 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:21,119 it, which uh uh the movie is a 946 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:24,320 historical documentary about the um 947 00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:25,520 Americans with Disabilities Movement. Um 948 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,720 uh I can't remember when now. I think 949 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:31,440 back in the '90s um and about a bit of 950 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:34,079 history of uh accessibility um the the 951 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,079 disability revolution. And uh for those 952 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:39,520 who also want to learn a little bit more 953 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:42,079 about disability, um there's an amazing 954 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:44,400 book by Emil Emily Lau called a 955 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:46,960 demystifying disability which uh is a 956 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:50,000 great 101 on disability if if it's not a 957 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,520 topic that you've um uh know too much 958 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,160 about and also talks about the language 959 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,359 of disability as well and and um how to 960 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,800 get more comfortable talking about it 961 00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:59,280 because I often find that's a bit of a 962 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,960 kind of initial barrier for folks uh who 963 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,640 are a bit scared of saying the wrong 964 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,119 thing when talking about disability and 965 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,440 accessibility. So, um great book that uh 966 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:10,880 really introduces all the concepts in a 967 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:15,200 really really friendly way. 968 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:18,000 Um and lastly, uh uh let's make sure 969 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,839 that we build with and not for. Um make 970 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,520 sure the right people are involved in in 971 00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:23,119 the apps that we design and the 972 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:27,760 technology that we design. Sit with 973 00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:30,079 people and and hear their stories. And 974 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,440 um in particular for for today and the 975 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:33,280 rest of the conference, please share 976 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,280 your stories. And I think the reason why 977 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,240 I wanted to give this this style of talk 978 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:40,079 was storytelling is so important because 979 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:42,720 uh we are building software and 980 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:44,560 technology for people. Um but I feel 981 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:45,839 like uh we should share more stories 982 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,480 about the people we're we're building 983 00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:50,480 the software for and and um that's 984 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:54,320 really really important. So please share 985 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:56,319 your stories today um about uh kind of 986 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,560 more personal side of of technology not 987 00:40:56,319 --> 00:41:00,079 just not just about disability but about 988 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,960 uh maybe points of inclusion or 989 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:04,640 discrimination in general. Um, that 990 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,920 sounds really heavy, but yeah, please 991 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,280 share your stories. Let's let's let's 992 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,599 talk more about the people side of 993 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,440 things. So, uh, I just wanted to say 994 00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:13,680 thank you so much for for having me and 995 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,520 and um enjoy the rest of the conference. 996 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,280 I can't wait to to watch all of your 997 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:20,280 talks and and get to meet you. Thank 998 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,280 you.